Greg Voisen
Welcome back to Inside personal growth. This is Greg Voisen, the host of Inside Personal Growth. And joining us from Toronto, Canada is Dr. Lise Janelle, DC. Good day to you. Dr. Lise, how are you doing?

Dr. Lise Janelle
Hello, Greg, nice to be with you. I'm doing great. Thank you.

Greg Voisen
Well, it's good to have you on Inside Personal Growth. Yeah, Dr. Lise and I have talked as well. And I'm actually going to do a session with her on Friday. And I'm looking forward to that. But I'm gonna let the listeners know a bit about you. She's got a new book out called Conversations with the Heart: Reveal Yourself to Yourself. And you can get that on Amazon, we're going to have a link to Amazon. Dr. Lise draws upon her extensive experience as a transformational coach. To help you break free from a cycle of searching for something without finding it. With or guidance, you can unlock your potential and discover what you're seeking. All of the tools provided by Dr. Lise are in that book. Over the course of two decades, she's helped countless people achieve transformative results, regardless of difficult paths, or seemingly impossible challenges. She helps them achieve success and for all transforming their life. And make sure that you go out today and look for the website and we were just talking about this. It's conversation, c-o-n-v-e-r-s-a-t-i-o-n, not s, no s on it. withtheheart.com. There you can learn more about Dr. Lise, her appearances, the book, the audiobook, the eBook, and what others are saying about it. She's got quite an extensive background and comes well verse to be able to speak with us today about this. So Doctor least, can you tell the listeners I know you're a doctor of chiropractic, because that's what DC stands for a little bit about yourself and your background? And what inspired you to write this book Conversation with the Heart. I'm going to keep repeating that to myself, because they asked plural makes a big difference. Conversation with the Heart.

Dr. Lise Janelle
Yes, when I was creating the title, I wanted it to be a continuous conversation. So that's why I didn't put that as, like, I believe the ideal state of being is to be constantly connected with the heart so it can be guiding us. So how did I come about doing this work? I'm in 1988, my father was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given nine months to live. That was three weeks before my sister's wedding. One week after my sister's wedding, my 21-year-old brother died in a car accident, and within a month of all this my eight-year relationship to them and I was gonna marry and it was like, oh, oh, oh. So you know, these things that happens in their life I find that are divinely designed just for us. I was not aware that one day I would be doing what I'm doing. But to survive the pain that I was feeling. I went on a quest to understand how can you live life when these things happen? Because it's not if it's when, when these things happen? How don't you go flat like a pancake? How can you use it to your advantage. So on my quest to understand, you know how to live a great life, I meant I met two great mentors to me. And they've both chiropractors one is Dr. Scott Walker, who teaches a mind body method called ne t neuro emotional technique. And it's amazing as a chiropractor, like I could have 10 patients with same low back condition, eight of them would get better and the two of them were not until I found that tool. And then, like my recovery rate increased even more like sometimes when there's too much tissue damage, I won't but so it was amazing for me. I just love love loved using it. And then I started using with my patients when they were stuck and I thought that was great. And then I met Dr. John Demartini and John teaches the power of gratitude. And so I ended up working with my patients with my clients. And I ended up combining the two because I anything is beautiful. But I wanted to bring a spiritual aspect to it. And for me, the highest form of spirituality is unconditional love. It's for me, God is love, gratitude, all these things are all connected. And then, in 2004, I became a full time coach, I had to leave my cushy life as a chiropractor, which I love being a chiropractor, I was like, my patient loved me, I love my patient, I work 25 hours a week, I took 1213 weeks off per year, I did lots of seminars during that time, I had everything like it was a good life. But in 1989, I hadn't written a mission statement for my life. And the career statements said that I was going to help maximize the life of millions of people through reconnecting them with their heart. Why? Because in 1989, I had this most powerful spiritual experience where, through doing this exercise with Dr. DE martini, I was opening my heart to my father, I had been really angry with my father for a long time. But then when I started to do the work, slowly, but surely, I started to see the big picture of the perfection of having had my father. And then this manual reminded me of my father, I saw him, he got really upset. And he says, Mother, why is it you never loved me. So my heart went, boom, because I understood that was my father's stories. And in that state. Like, if you read about people who had near death experience, you know, they go on the other side, and they come back while I was in that state, because I ended up in this place where only the thing I felt was love. And I was shown without words, I understood that it was told to me that everything, everything that's happening, everything that will ever happen is there for us to grow in love and wisdom.

Greg Voisen
Yeah. And it is in you know, you have told lots of stories in the book. And one of the things you speak about, and I think for the listeners is the differences between how people describe how they feel, when they're not in their hearts, and how they feel when they are in their hearts. And you're explaining your own, right, this is, you know, this epiphany you had, could you speak with us about the differences in the deep awareness and becoming masterful at conversing with our heart? Because I don't think people think daily, okay, today, I'm gonna wake up and I'm gonna talk to my heart. Or they might think, Hey, I'm going to be a little more empathetic with myself, more understanding with myself, because a lot of this is about where our ego goes, and how it beats us up in the process, saying we're not enough because we're constantly living with that old tape. But the only way you can open up the heart is to know you are enough. You're just okay the way you are. And to accept who you are. Yes.

Dr. Lise Janelle
Yes, I like if I asked you is a baby worthy of love?

Greg Voisen
Is what?

Dr. Lise Janelle
a baby worthy of love?

Greg Voisen
Yes.

Dr. Lise Janelle
Is that toddler in the throes of the terrible twos worthy of love? Yes. Is a teenager worthy of love? Yes. Is a 20? At what point did we stop being worthy of love? Never. Exactly. We only stopped being worthy of love when we created a story that we were about to choose is our essence, who we are, is love. I believe that this is for me. I believe that love is not an emotion. It's actually our essence. It's our state of being we all have access to that. And that when people tell me they don't know how to connect with their heart, I know it's because there's not enough gratitude. That's why gratitude is super important. When you're grateful you basically feel like heaven on earth. When we are on grateful we feel like hell on earth. So the key, the only forward state of being that lives in the heart is love, gratitude, inspiration and wisdom, love, gratitude, inspiration and wisdom. And when people tell me I'm not sure what I should be doing in my life, I don't know when I can. I'm not I don't feel guided. I know that that person does not have a connection with their heart through gratitude when people see and I'm going to use my face I have a yin and a yang. I use this all the time. And for me, it's a perfect visual to show that whenever we face a challenge, they can be an equal and opposite benefit. If we look at it, and I tell a corny story, but it's the perfect corny story. One day, a scientist is observing a butterfly coming out of a cocoon, and it's so huge struggle, it takes hours and hours an hour. So to be nice, the butterfly cocoon open. But by doing this, the butterfly has nothing to struggle against. So the wings are weak, can never fly, and it dies like that. So if we can start looking at every single thing that ever happened to us, which is, you know, that spiritual experience I was sharing with you, everything that's ever happened to you, that is happening, that will ever happen to you, is for you to grow in love and wisdom. So when a challenge happens, if you take a deep breath, and then you go, since I'm worthy of love, how am I going to use this to my advantage, and quiet changes your whole life, that's when you really have a conversation with your heart, because I think looking to the outside world to you know, make you feel better? Are you starting to learn to self soothe, and we all have to learn to self soothe?

Greg Voisen
I think the question might be what listeners might want to think about, is it happening to me? Or is it happening for me? And that the difference between two and four, it's happening for you for a reason. Now, the bigger part is how do we accept that and in your chapter titled, The Game of creation, the eight years of the self, you introduce this game of creating a fulfilling life. Now a lot of people might be going on saying, it's happening to me, You did this to me, you're the reason you're the fault, whatever. What we're trying to do is get you to shift the perspective. No one else out there does it to you, you do it all to yourself. Can you speak with our audiences about the game? And what are the challenges in playing the game?

Dr. Lise Janelle
Yes, the biggest challenge we all face, and it comes back to when we were babies, when you were born. When we are born, love has to come from the outside. And if someone is there to respond, when you cry, you feel I'm queen or king in the world. And when there's nobody to respond to, you need to feel what's wrong with me. So we create stories, because you can have two people with the same challenge. And one person takes off from it becomes amazing, and the other person goes down with it. So what happens is like, and I've asked this question to 1000s of people, raise your hand, if you've never had huge challenges. And so far with 1000s of people, only one person who was a young girl, and she said me, and I'm scared because I don't know what's gonna happen, you know, when a challenge happens. So when someone, something happens, when we feel to us, we feel we're a victim. As long as we're a victim, we're going to be stuck. So it's our choice, we have a choice, every single time to go into victim mentality, this is happening to me what's wrong, all these things, which is just going to take your power away. Or if, like, you know, we're human beings. So what I do is when these things happen to me, I go into victimhood for five minutes, I allow myself to feel the pity party poor me, why is this happening? And then, okay, these, that's a lie. Center yourself, how are you going to use this to your advantage. And that is so empowering. And we have a choice, even if what I'm telling you is baloney. If you choose to look at life, from that point of view, I know because I've worked with 1000s of people, your life is just gonna get better and better and better instead of getting more and more scared. Because every time something happens that challenging, most people just end up shutting down their heart more and more and more where their world becomes so small, that it's impossible to be happy. But if you walk towards life, and whenever there's support or challenges, you know, it's all happening for you. Now you create a different world much more an expansion and inspiring world.

Greg Voisen
Can you speak about, though you referenced the submitting points in the book The eight mirrors of self? How can the principles outlined in that eight mirrors of self help these individuals who are listening, navigate and grow from difficult circumstances because like you said, you only had one girl had her hand up because she was very young and hadn't had any, any issues at that point, we're all going to face challenges. And I think it's like, a friend of mine put a post on LinkedIn today about walking around with these 25 pound weights around his neighborhood and everyone Oh, yeah, I would always ask him, Why are you wearing those weights? And he said, well, because it's making me grow stronger. It's kind of like, we all have the weight of the world that we have to deal with, or relationships, or, or whatever it might be financial circumstances. And if you know how to carry that weight, like you're talking about, you literally can become stronger. But most people don't look at it as becoming stronger. They say, are you going to go through it? Or are you going to grow through it? Right? That's an old statement. It's been around forever. But I think the point is, we're trying to say, how do you grow through this with grace, with ease with understanding with understanding your heart? And why did you attract it into your life? In the first place? What did you need to learn? And I want you to comment about the mayor's herself. Okay,

Dr. Lise Janelle
but you remember my story about, you know, my brother dying, and my father cancer, that was a big Ah, so, this is where I've learned what I'm telling you, things are not happening to us that are happening for us. Because when you face your challenges, only two reasons why you feel so challenge number one, it's because you need to master something, because obviously, if you mastered it, it's not a challenge anymore. Number two, it's sending you in a direction that you need to go that you are either aware or you need to go when you're kicking and screaming because it's too comfy like me, when I left my chiropractic life, it was like, Oh,

Greg Voisen
I don't want to go.

Dr. Lise Janelle
You know, that's scary to stop doing what I know so well, and people would love me to become a coach. But I have no choice. In 2003, I was standing behind my patients and I'd be crying. I took my girlfriend out for her birthday and bring them on birthday dinner, I started crying. So I took three months off an NGO Kaylee's, you need to challenge yourself to give your heart what it wants. So this is one example of I knew I shouldn't be moving, but I was not doing it. The other example is like the one with my father dying, cancer, my brother dying. What that one is the most challenging one because when it happens, unless you have already a statement of purpose for your life, it's harder to decipher. How is this guiding you but if you open your heart and you go with love for yourself, you go, alright, God, the universe, whatever word you use for it's like, God wants me to have this experience? How am I going to learn from this? What is this forcing me to do? Like if you look at the different areas of life, like is this, like if it's, let's say you get cancer? So what am I supposed to learn? You know, right now, how am I going to use this to my advantage? For me, you know, with my background as a holistic chiropractor, I look at it like the health triangle, it's structural, biochemical one emotional, so when you remove the blocks, then the healing can happen. So, you know, maybe you need to exercise, maybe you need to get chiropractic care, massage therapy, yoga, like you need movement, you need to do things for your body, you might need surgery, biochemically. You know, everything we eat and drink becomes part of our body, even creams you put on your body like EMF, electromagnetic field, all these things that had an impact on our body. And the other one is our emotions, when we are not grateful. It decreases our health, like I have had many people come in my life who have cancer. And they all told me the ones that I was able to help them turn it around. And they said that cancer had been a great blessing for them because all the sudden these things that they were not doing for themselves before, they were not listening to their heart. Now they feel like I have nothing to lose and they start doing all of these things that were important for them. So sometimes it's about leaving a bad relationship or a bad job or, you know, moving in exactly the place I didn't want to move so you know our health can be a reflection of what's happening and a great place for us to play the game of life. Financial financial is all about self worth. So if you want to increase your self worth gratitude, that's why I love this work because every time you gain credit you you increase your self worth. Yeah, definitely grateful we decrease ourselves

Greg Voisen
well These are principles and things that we're talking about which I think many of the listeners know about the, it isn't about a knowing it's about practicing. And that brings me to this next question. You know, your book suggests a lot of deep level of reflection. I think many of us, me included many times in my life, I don't go to deep levels of reflection, you're moving through life, just trying to get done what you have to get done. And you say to yourself, What I want is reprieve. I don't want to actually dive deep into anything, I want to skip over it, because I might find out something that I don't really want to see. So I'm really just gonna go put in the backseat of the car, the trunk, and let it ride along for a while. So what practices or strategies do you recommend for individuals are starting the journey of we're gonna just gonna call it self awareness? Through heart centered conversations, that time is plural, not conversation, because if we're going to actually speak with this heart, and that is a deep reflection, right? That's a, hey, I want to hear what my heart has to say. I really want to understand it. How often do you think individuals out there are actually having a conversation with their heart? Probably not very often.

Dr. Lise Janelle
I find my clients, the more they do the work, the more they want to do the work. And they tell something that would have taken me a year to get over now takes me a month, something that was taking me a month now takes me a week, something that would have taken me a week takes me a day, something that would have taken me a day it takes me like the more you do it, because it just feels so good. When you are in there, that it's easy, it becomes really easy. Or, like I don't like being out of my heart. It doesn't feel good. So why should ice and we don't have to be afraid of anything like what you saying is so bang on. A lot of people are afraid of doing the cold called deep work. Because what if I discover something that I don't like, the only thing you're going to discover? If you do the deep work is you're worthy of love. You're gonna let go shoot huge Wait, a big illusion that came off and from when you were a little kid, like, I can't tell you the number because I do the mind body work that I do. Like a big grown up man who starts crying when I'm testing it on. I love myself. Why? Because when he was born, he was crying for mom. But Mum was in the room and he was in the nursery and she did not come and he created this false story that something was wrong with him and he wasn't worthy of love. And that worse, he should stop asking for what he wants, which is Mommy because I've asked for her. And if she doesn't come, like often hurts too much. So it's, it's an illusion, because I love it if I'm doing this with a man who's got a baby, and I asked, So do you think there's any time in your baby's life where you didn't respond to your baby when I knew he was crying? Yeah. Is it because you didn't love your baby? No. Is it because your baby is unworthy of love? No. And then like the big aha happens, when you know, they start to, you know, they say you can solve a paradox at the level the paradox was created. That's why I like using that trigger. I asked you know, as a parent looking at your own baby, what do you see? Then I bring them back into that level. It's like it's really beautiful. It's a beautiful thing to do. It's, it's not scary. Like it's for me. It's much scarier not to go deep than to go deep. And now, and especially men often are afraid of doing it. But I love working with men. Because once men get it, they like superpower. They start doing their work as they realize every time I do this actually become more powerful.

Greg Voisen
I always loved the work and you set you remind me and that's what I was looking for here. Not it's been a while ago since Byron Katie's been on the show and many other people know, but she had those four liberating questions because we used we make stuff up. We live in a world of MSU where we make it up, but I'm gonna repeat for the audience the questions and yours. you're alluding to the same thing. Question one, is it true? Can you absolutely know it's true? How do you react what happens when you believe that that thought and the last one who would you be without the thought. So the point here is this, you know, you're advocating this same deep reflection with the heart. And you have to ask the questions of the heart. Right? And so, you, you do all this deep work. And inside the book, you've got great questions for people. Looking ahead, how do you envision readers engaging with your book? And what kind of impact do you hope, conversation with the heart will have in the long run? And you said earlier, it was interesting when you quit your cushy job and came to do this, that you wanted to leave a legacy, or you aim to do this through this work, which was healing millions of people, right? Or if it's not millions, hundreds of 1000s or 10s of 1000s? It doesn't matter. The fact is, is that your work is healing people. What do you envision for people to get engaged with this book, to use this book, the long term results from the book and the legacy that you can leave from the book? So it's a four part question.

Dr. Lise Janelle
Okay, my legacy, yeah, I want to bring happiness in the world. Because that time when I opened up my heart, I was telling you at the beginning, where my hearts are open, it was like being in heaven. And when I came back down from that place, it was like, wow, this is amazing. So every day of my life have been working towards being in that state more all the time. You know, I think that's the path to enlightenment, I'm not enlightened yet. But more and more, I get to live from that place. So my legacy, I know if people, if people read this book, and, and, and do the exercise at the end of each chapters, I know that if people read this book and do the exercise, at the end of each chapter, they're going to have a much better connection with their heart. And they're going to start to feel really that they are worthy of love. This is, this is one part of my work. And the other part is the, my big chunk of work also is working with the subconscious mind, because there's the conscious part that also has to be connected with our heart. But even if you're connected with your heart, you have conditioned responses. And that's my book that's coming out with Jack Canfield, hopefully by the end of the year. So Jack has sold 600 million books. So hopefully, he will sell 1 million. I believe. So

Greg Voisen
it's interesting you say that, because tomorrow, my favorite hypnotherapist is I see him at three o'clock. And the subconscious mind is for those of you who are listening, and you understand this, it's so important to dig in deeply with someone helping you by the suggestions that are being made to understand what's going on the subconscious mind. And the blocks that you have, in that particular area. Are there specific exercises out of your book, because they're there, or practices that you'd recommend for readers to enhance their ability to have a meaningful conversation with their heart? Is there anything that pops up for you that you can, that you can actually tell them, that would be a good thing for them to do?

Dr. Lise Janelle
In my book, the biggest one you can do that will help you have a, you know, a really good conversation with your heart is gratitude for sure. If you can take the time to, to acknowledge what you're hurting from, and then go and ask yourself, how did it build my wings. So then that will really help you have a bigger picture. And the subconscious work like this is what I teach, like, that's part of the next book. And then those two things are actually super important. Because every time you let go of a subconscious belief, the same thing happens, you reconnect with yourself and you understand in your heart, not in your head that you are worthy of love. So the two parts are super important. I also have a tool called the best friend journal and you can download it best friend journal.com. And what you do is you write three to five things you can be really proud of that you've done that day. And then if you have any negative self talk, you write down why would I tell my best friend or my own child if they told me that you know, something negative about yourself about your life? How would you advise them so you write the solution for them, and then you reflect on how you're going to use it for yourself. So when you start coming from that place of trusting that you can always be there for yourself. it nurtures yourself and helps you feel a lot happier. When someone does something to you that you don't like, and you feel like this is done to mean that for me, you ask yourself who in my life right now feels the same way? Who feels the same way, because I've done something that makes them feel the same way I'm feeling. Because what it does is, when we are feeling that somebody is doing something to us, we feel like they are wrong. And we are right. So become self righteous by asking yourself, Where do I do the same thing? Do I do it to my spouse, to my kids, to my employees, to my clients, you know, and then we humble ourselves and we can go, okay, then it makes it even easier to say, All right, so what's the benefit to me that this is happening, there's, there's so many things that we can do to connect with the heart. But gratitude is key, for sure.

Greg Voisen
Well, that's a good point that you make, and nobody and we all can be reminded to have more gratitude more often about what's in our lives and what's manifested so far, regardless of our circumstances, the fact that we're breathing living human beings on this planet, you know, I tell people that are, you know, that are pretty, oh, let's just say average, you know, you got a car, you got gas in your car, you got money in the bank, you got a job, you know, you need to be grateful for that, because there's many parts in this world where people don't have any of that, right. And so all you have to do is compare and contrast a little bit. I love the Dalai Lama, because it's really about being compassionate, and really showing compassionate to the rest of compassion to the rest of the world. So Dr. Lee's, is there anything else you want to share with our audience, as we sum up our interview here, about conversations or conversation with the heart, or the work in generally, I know, you've got workshops, you've got a community, you've got discussion groups, you got people can sign up with you at your website, to take, have a session with you, but so that they could maybe accelerate their progress in this area, you're there to support them. So can you tell them how you they could be supported? And in what ways would be the best ways to reach you?

Dr. Lise Janelle
Yeah, for sure, you can contact my assistant in the office info at Dr. Nugent on that comment. If if I was someone out there right now, that's wondering what you can do to accelerate the results, get the book for sure. But I also have a seminar called extreme freedom. It's a two day retreat, where you get to learn how to open your heart, even to the biggest challenges you've ever had extreme gratitude. And then you spend a whole day creating a statement of purpose for your life. So that takes care of the conscious part of how you want to use your time. And then I have my own leisure dream life where I teach people how to do the subconscious work on themselves in all the different areas of life. So you learn for finance, for career, for health, for cravings, all of those different So by combining these two tools, and if people want more, you know, one on one, they can have one on one coaching with me with my coaches, I have I train I have like eating coaches, I've been trained by me. So there's all kinds of tools available to everybody that you know, and the price this is available, you can I'm sure you can find ways of affording all this.

Greg Voisen
Well, and one of the ways for our listeners to get there is conversation with the heart.com. There, you can learn more about the book, you can actually order the book right there online. Dr. Lee's also has her own website, this is the kind of more of the conversation with the heart. We're gonna put links to these websites so that people can get access to them. So look for it in the blog entry that we've got. Dr. Janelle, thank you so much for being on inside personal growth. It was a very fast 40 minute conversation. But I was really intrigued by what you had to say. I know my listeners were as well. Again, we'll have a link to inside the blogs to the book conversation with the heart. Also, there's an audio book for 995 and ebook for 995. And you get the paperback book for 1995. So you can go on that website and buy it there. And you can go to our personal website, learn more about her other services and so on. Thanks so much, Dr. Jenelle. Appreciate you. Thanks for the good work that you're doing.

Dr. Lise Janelle
Thank you. Thank you for allowing me to bring my message in the world. I really appreciate it.

Greg Voisen
Thanks, Namaste to you.