Greg Voisen
Welcome back to Inside Personal Growth. This is Greg Voisen, the host of the podcast and joining me from New Jersey is Michael Sandler. And we're going to be speaking about his book called (AWE) The Automatic Writing Experience. Good day to you, Michael, how you doing?

Michael Sandler
Good day you Greg and I gotta call that off. Because we're gonna be talking about that sense of awe today, aren't we?

Greg Voisen
We are and we just saw rube which is his rooster.

Michael Sandler
Yeah, absolutely. Which drops jaws and has you?

Greg Voisen
Definitely. Well, I'm gonna let my listeners know a tad bit about you. Michael Sandler, he has an MBA, which is a master's in business administration and Mi s, what is MIS?

Michael Sandler
It's a Master of Information Systems. So a computer degree as well as a business because one wouldn't be enough.

Greg Voisen
All right, yeah, to have a second one. He's the host of Inspire Nation show. And you can actually go to inspirenationshow.com To learn more about him. You can also go to automaticwriting.com. That's another website. It's a top rated self-help and spiritual YouTube show and podcast. He's a bestselling author, speaker, visionary coach and creator of Inspire nation University, and all online course, for over 25 years, he's transformed 1000s of lives and businesses through the open hearted Warrior Program. Michael is on a mission to help the world shine bright. And again, I said two websites probably automatic writing.com would be a great place for my listeners. Here's the book. And what's what we're going to be talking about today. Well, Michael, thanks for taking the time. I know you've been at this a long time. And there's some things in your life personally, that happened that kind of got you here to where you are today. And I'm not talking about educational experiences I'm talking about oh, they are educational. Indie ease and for everybody who knows a near death experiences, how that influenced you and change your life for the better.

Michael Sandler
I like that you say change your life for the better because it certainly did. Well, you could say that that's more of your master's or graduate or PA Doctoral Program, or degree on life is the nd ease. They shifted me from for the most part because your wiring is still your wiring, we can get into that. But they shifted me from a what I'm going to call a small mind understanding of the world. The more egoic or fear based or day to day mind, call it small and they shifted me to the big mind more of a big picture unity consciousness, we are all one what's the big picture? Why are we hear what's the meaning of this existence, what is what is behind the veil, what's on the other side. And, and from that place, it doesn't mean that you reside there all the time, as my wife will tell you, you don't. However, you interact with the world completely differently. You see things differently, your heart is expanded and more open. It's why we have the open hearted warrior program, it's now transitioned into what we call the school of mystics because what you are when you have one of these mystical experiences, you don't need a near death experience to have one is you're someone who can live on both sides of the veil at the same time, meaning, let's put it in common everyday vernacular. You can escape from the matrix or you're not locked to the lower level vibration of fears and worries, and anxiousness and even depression, that is a global phenomenon or challenge today, instead, you can see or be above it at a higher vibration still working here on Earth, but not attached to all of the drudgery.

Greg Voisen
Totally agree, many authors and lots of people have talked about that as the non-duality. You know, the me, you mentioned a second the ego, you know, and then the soul. And you we have to kind of coexist with that don't mean, Michael, and what does it mean to live? As you just talked about on both sides of the veil? You know, I kind of look at it as that non dual universe. And, but the egos ever present it, it's there to protect us in some respect, right? It's there for us. How do you help people navigate those two worlds?

Michael Sandler
Let's, let's kick it real old school, Greg, let's go with depending on your take, it can either be Pac Man or miss Pac Man. So on the other side, I'm calling it quote unquote, other side of the veil, because actually, we're this holographic image within the veil, everything is within us, we are within everything. But just for lack of confusion or clarity sake, we'll say the other side of the veil. Most of you exist, your Higher Self, your soul, your spirit, on the other side of the veil, cheering on this little version of you that's locked into this PacMan universe is locked into this world. In this world, you have amnesia, you forget who you are, you forget where you come from, you forget your attachment, so that you can play out this program or this game. And you can learn and grow from it and take that information back home to the larger version of yourself. The egoic mind, in a small sense, helps you stay safe here, look both ways before you cross the road. There are some rules that came from the tribe that are very meaningful look at the world from a fear based perspective. So you don't get eaten by a tiger. Whenever we came here to actually learn how to let that go, in a sense, because I like to think of this world. And this, this duality is a cosmic pulse of AC DC if you want or negative, positive, negative positive, the current that you have alternating current that runs your computer right here is this flux and current back and forth, and back and forth, and back and forth. And you came here to have amnesia, and forget and learn how to transcend that and bring that home and come here again and forget and learn how to transcend that and bring that home. And it's this pulse ever spiraling you upward in your existence of eternity, because you're an infinite divine being having a divine experience in human form. Now, your ego while you're here, until you wake up, and that's what I call escaping from the matrix is waking up to the greater existence, your ego. He's very scared. And my ego is still very big, it hasn't gone anywhere, just because I've had a taste of the other side. It is wiring. And the wiring is I want to stay small, I don't want to be seen. I don't want to reach for greatness. And it will give me a litany of reasons why I should never do or change anything and I should just hide under the couch. What I get to do with that, though, is make peace with it. Greg is to love it up is to listen to it as to take it in as a wounded little child and say it's okay. It's okay. It's okay. And then and in hand, stepping forwards and knee way. Right not about eradicating the ego eradicating fear, you might be able to do that. I haven't heard of many, many success, but it's about healing those wounds and then stepping forward with your ego

Greg Voisen
coexisting with it. You know, that's a an important element and I think that is where everybody is there is no way out of it. It is what it is. And the key is what you've mentioned as a nurturing it, supporting it, understanding it and then you growing with it. You know in the special message of your book. Urban Ervin is Laszlo I know I've actually I don't want to screw up his name because he Laszlo. Laszlo says that you have the ability to connect to the source. How do you help people hear or feel this source and know how to rely on what the source is telling them? Because you know it's discernment. We get you know, some people are Clara audience, some are Clara sent A summer, you know, clairvoyant, there's a lot of Claire's. The question is, is, when we hear that or intuitive, we have that hit? How do you help people really realize that and then channel that in, because you're really about automatic writing. Okay,

Michael Sandler
so a couple of key words in there. So channel is one of those words. And tune in is, is an important concept here as well, which is to say, we all get these hits, Greg, we all get these moments of clarity turn now. And all of a sudden, thank God, that child had run out that bus that came there, we turned to just the right moment, we had a moment of clarity, or we have an intuitive hit, to make a certain decision to go for something that makes no sense. And we actually go for it, the universe source God, the love, that is everything, whatever we want to call it is always speaking to us. However, if we don't have a practice, where we can learn to trust this voice, learn to trust this wisdom. And as you say, you're an important word, learn to discern, then we're kind of clueless as to, is this my mind? Is this my ego? Or is this coming from someplace greater? Now, right? Automatic writing is a very simple process, where you go into kind of this meditative state, you don't have to be able to meditate, you get your pen on the paper, and the pen starts flowing to gives you answers to some of the biggest questions of the universe, and about yourself, which is where it becomes a mind blower. And it's an energetic transmission when you start to feel better and feel better. And this cloak of darkness and heaviness starts to slough away from you, the more time that you spend in ah, what I call the automatic writing experience, the easier it is to discern, the easier it is to feel, the easier it is to have knowings of where the information is coming from, to the point where the writing is no longer about the writing, Greg, right, you can go out you can go down the street, you can have a conversation with Greg, which is woohoo, thank you for having me here. And you're able to get a real true sense of what's coming from that small mind and what's coming from the bigger mind because of the time you spent practicing in it.

Greg Voisen
Well, I I've written a couple of books, and they just helped finish another one. And I know what it's like gratulations. Now this doesn't it. This isn't just writing to write a book, let's make that real clear. This is writing to heal, no matter what the writing is. Much of this writing is, I'm going to say being channeled through you to be expressed on a piece of paper. And the important part is you hearing the message and learning from that message. And William Sears MD says that Aw, he belongs in the mental wellness toolbox of every reader who is inspired to take charge of their brain health. That was the quote, why is the automatic writing experience so powerful? What can it do for our brain health?

Michael Sandler
It's interesting that he mentions that because if you go back into the 1800s, I believe was 1846 might have been a little later than that. There was a beautiful book, aptly named automatic writing that talked about it as a tool, it was written by a psychologist, as a tool to connect with your subconscious, and learn about your deep inner wiring or programming that's commanding everything that you may not even be aware of. So it has been an incredibly powerful tool for that purpose for a very long time. Now, when it comes to brain health, our brains are like the laptop or the computer you have in front of you. Too many programs open too many apps, too many windows, too many things dragging you down at best and having a really warped bias at worst. What if we could get clarity of what we're really thinking of who we really are of what's really going on? Let's say that you are talking with your spouse and you snap, excuse me, get really upset. And your unsettledness is not commensurate to the energy that your spouse is giving you. You can go into automatic writing. And you can say let's use a technical term what the flip hack and you will actually get the answer well, because you were wounded it might even go so far to say is because you were wounded in fourth grade when teachers something shut you down and this happened and that happened. This is why you've created this Hartwall this barrier where if somebody touches that wall, they get an electric shock. This is why you start to flip out in this circumstance. And here's what we can do to help you to heal

Greg Voisen
Yeah, it's, you know, in my psychology training, he used to do these Gestalt therapies, right, where you would sit in two different chairs and be the same person, right, talking, like asking a question, then moving over and answering that question from that position. And I found most of those that I would do with people, or even someone doing it to me, were some of the most instrumental ways to actually express a challenge I was having in my life about something, you know, a relationship that I was having an issue with, with somebody. You know, you mentioned that the automatic writing has been used by sages and authors for years. And I would agree with you many of the people that have been on this show, use this technique to write their books, not just one book, you know, 20 books later, we have all heard the statement that the book came through me, okay. And people said to me what I wrote the second book, how did you do it? And I keep saying, you know, I would just make time to sit and be, and I'd allow it to come through me. And I would write for two or three hours, and then I would stop, and I do that, three or four times a week before long, I had all this stuff. And then I said, well, but he didn't read it back. And then why aren't you reading it back and correcting it? And I said, because probably the worst thing you could do would be making all those corrections from a mental standpoint about what you just wrote, I didn't sit and correct it. So what prompts you? What prompts do you send out to the universe to get started with the automatic writing experience?

Michael Sandler
I do. I do a couple prayers. I do a prayer that kind of puts me in this bubble of love and light. And then I do a second prayer where I call in assistance, we can call an Angels or guides loved ones on the other side of the veil. My daughter who passed away in utero is one of my two twins, the other ones playing upstairs. Her name is Mira COO, which stands for miracle and miracle comes through pretty much every day and says Daddy, I'll feel this question kind of wild. But but you can go then and call in assistance or As Napoleon Hill author of thinking Grow Rich calls it you can call in your boardroom. And then you ask questions, questions to your questions that are on your mind questions of what is most important for you? And then you begin to get answers in that sacred space.

Greg Voisen
Yeah, yeah, it's so important to set the space up. Right? I know a lot of people they like to put headphones on listen to music,

Michael Sandler
or I'll put on I have people listen to it's a great point you make theta brain entrainment music, right. And I interviewed Dr. Andrew Newberg for the book author of enlightenment in the brain. And he took a look at longtime or Yeah, longtime automatic writing practitioners, and saw changes neuros neurological changes that took place in the brain, at least during automatic writing. And they would enter this state of brainwave state where the frontal lobe, the part of the brain responsible for where am I going, what do I need to get done what we call our executive functions, and writing that part of the brain powers down the parietal lobe, the part of the brain up here responsible for last song of the Beatles by George Harrison. I mean, my I mean, my I mean, my, the egoic center of the brain, it powers down. We've got the IMMI offline, we've got the Writing Center offline. We've got you vibrating in this state of brainwave state, which is a more creative space more connected to something greater than ourselves. And it is in that space with those headphones on that the words really begin to flow as you're in this sacred place. There's one thing I want to touch on, Greg, you You did some amazing writing. And that writing has an energy to it a frequency to it. I know your books have it that goes beyond you, because it didn't come from you. It's a co creation grounded, but it didn't come from you. So what I challenge everyone to do in their automatic writing is make their day in automatic writing sandwich, which is if you write it in the morning, that's one of your pieces of bread, then you have your good vegan meat throughout the day, that essay, then read it again in the evening. You get in a unique, beautiful, vibratory state when you're writing. And you know this because when you're done, you're kind of cooked but it's been good. You get in this beautiful vibratory state, you're attuned to a higher frequency. That attunement carries you through the most of the day. And then you want that pick me up that attunement at the end of the day by rereading what you wrote, you don't have to edit it, but you can put yourself back in that sacred space, which then helps you to process to learn and to grow overnight, or a lot of people do the writing late at night, that's when they get their creative ideas or pop, pop pop. If so you write it in the evening. And then in that attuned you for your dream world, which your dream world really is your waking world for the other side of the veil. And then when you come to in the morning, reread it again, and be attuned, it's a vibratory change here for you vibrate at a higher frequency for the day ahead.

Greg Voisen
Yeah, you know, that brings me to this environment in which people write in an environment, they set up the meditation that they might do before, you know, you talked about meditation, the monkey mind, how do we Quiet? This monkey mind? You know, it's pretty active most of the time for most people. I know most good meditators will talk about that. They'll say, Okay, well, you just let it be and then let it you know, move out, right. It's not something that's not be against it. Let's just let it say what it's going to say and then let it move on. Right? What advice would you have for the listeners about quieting that monkey mind?

Michael Sandler
I'm gonna go the reverse direction. And it's actually you were saying it. Let's hear what the monkey mind has to say. I have an exercise I call an ego dump. I used to call it Better out than in, you grab a notebook, a journal, cheap composition book, if you want, preferably a nice recycled one. And if the ego mind is going nuts, set a timer. You don't have to do this all day. 510 minutes, whatever you'd like. And without censorship, allow the egoic monkey mind to barf all over you. Yep. All out. Do not censor it. Because Okay, between you and me, almost all of us, maybe not all of us. But almost all of us would go to jail if these writings were ever found, but still get them on paper Better out than in, then shred them, burn them, danced a margarita on them and be done with them. Because your subconscious or your egoic mind doesn't know the difference between the written word and the actual emotion or event. putting it down on paper is inflammatory. Unless you do something with it. It becomes a healing process. Once you shred that thing. It's may take time, but you'll find yourself getting lighter and lighter to where there's no longer the bite the croissants the energy behind it. It's not about squashing quelling that mind. It's about getting to that peaceful state where it no longer has to scream at you to be hurt.

Greg Voisen
Yeah, I love the way you say that, you know, and I go back to these memories. I did an audio cassette tape series, I noticed he was on your show. With David Allen. I've known David for ever and ever. GTD getting things done, and the master of GTD David Allen. And we used to in the audio cassette tape series, you know, we reference back to the mind dump. Right? That was the term that was coined by David. And I, I remember that so distinctly because he had a brain on a piece of paper. And then he would have the people come in. And in many of the workshops I did, I did the same thing. We'd say, hey, get everything out that you're thinking before this workshop kind of begins, this is the brain dump. This is the time What are you thinking about? And it was amazing how many people would give him like 15 minutes? And they'd go, no, no, I need more time. You know, there was that much stuff on the paper. They just write and write and write. Now you refer to your source as your angels. And you mentioned that we can all call the source whatever we like, that's true. But the key is to listen and the ritual that we establish, to do the automatic writing. What advice do you have to help people initiate this ritual? And I know some people are gonna say, Well, I'd rather write with a pen and paper and I go yeah, just write with a pen and paper, or you want to write on your MacBook and then write on your MacBook. So talk to us about that ritual.

Michael Sandler
So it's a matter of, and it's not just angels that I go to I go to angels and guides, loved ones and higher dimensional beings and I don't even care what you call this stuff. It's the energy that is everything that is appearing to be in one form or another just like you're appearing to be Greg right now I'm appearing to be Michael doesn't matter what we call this stuff. It's the energy that is everything. We can call it the field. wouldn't call it our inner wisdom. If you don't believe in any of that. You don't have to You've got an inner wisdom, it's saying you to listen to this right now, right? So we can write to this and call it in. In essence, it's almost as simple as writing and saying, angels guides, Lightworkers whomever. Good morning, I'd like to speak to you. You call them in, you invoke them. And then whether it is your pen, on paper, or your fingers on a keyboard, and for myself, I'm dyslexic. I started with pen on paper, but the word started going so much and so fast that I started flipping, lettering every other word, and it became a mess, to where now I sit back on my keyboard, eyes almost closed, and I clickety clackety along in fact, the good old days, when I had my wife's old college chair, I would kick my head back lean into Melton to the chair, and I'd almost have my eyes closed and be like Stevie Wonder I LOVE STEVIE. And I'd be just grooving to this information laying on the chair almost eyes closed, as the words begin to flow getting into that space, sacred space. Key Point, we call them in, that's something Napoleon Hill is dead as well, right. And then we get the heck out of the way. That's why we call it channeling. Allow the channel to open. And then don't think allow whatever comes out on the page to come out. You don't have to listen, you don't have to discern, you don't have to try to translate, just get it down over time with practice. And I have a whole program automatic writing.com or the book, there's a whole practice where as you get better at it, what I call this cosmic handshake. As you develop this connection that goes from kind of smoke signal to a what do we call it dial up to fiber optic to a fiber optic tunnel as this connection grows stronger. Now you can start to have two way conversations, not just listening to whatever is on the other side, not just listening. And always key point. When you go into prayer, and you call in whomever calling in at the highest level. Don't play Wii G board. Weegee board is like getting a butterfly net and scooping up anything above you or below you. And I've got prayers in here so that you don't do that. Because you don't just want Billy Bob, unless Billy Bob was a loved one who crossed over. You don't just want Billy Bob speaking to you. You want the highest level you can get

Greg Voisen
very important point. And you know, I was going to ask you again because you mentioned this. The gentleman that did the brain science study Dr. Andrew Newberg Yeah, right now, are you actually listening to music when you're doing this as well or listening to his audio recordings that he's created? Or just music?

Michael Sandler
I'm listening to theta brain entrainment music, I made a whole series of it myself. Okay, so people can get that from get that bonus? Yeah, okay. Free, okay. Okay, and just downloadable from the website, downloadable. If you go to automatic writing.com, you get the book, you put in your receipt there, your little transaction number, and you get that or you can take our automatic writing program, where I have live classes once a month, and there's a whole video based program, and you get a whole library of music there as well, because I want to make it as easy for you as possible. I initially, I can tap in any time now. But I still like each morning when I go into automatic writing. I'm still going to do it with theta brain entrainment music, it just makes it so much simpler and faster. Now, if people are listening if they're diving into automatic writing, and there's a whole process but if you're listening and diving into automatic writing, as long as it's legit go get some theta brain entrainment musical for YouTube as well. It exists out there. How do I know if it's legit? Well, if the music's just kind of warm and fuzzy, that's not theta brain and drain music. Do you find yourself getting into a different brainwave state? I low? Because there's a lot of it out there.

Greg Voisen
Okay. That's good to know. Now, you provide a list of what the automatic writing experience is not. Can you tell the listeners what it is not? And what actually automatic writing experience is.

Michael Sandler
So the simplest way to put that is not a first person. I me my journaling writing experience. It's not I Michael or I, Greg am having a rough time. My day is not going well. I need to know what to do about this. That can be a very cathartic healing experience. There's no doubt about it. It's worked as a journaling tool for helping people heal for 1000s and 1000s of years. That's coming from the eye. We're coming from you. We want to go Supra up above the thinking mind above the eye. So you end up getting into a second person process. What does that mean? It means it's okay, dear one, you are loved. You're okay. Breathe deep. Relax into everything. We've got you. We'll take care of you. Let's talk about what's going on in your life. Now you're in the automatic writing process, your automatic reading experience. And you can hear the difference in my day is not going well. Breathe deep. All is good. We are here. There's a very different energetic field and shifts to it. That's why it's an attunement. It's in this place that we want to write. It's in this place where our problems don't turn us into kind of frothy, big problem is because we're focused on it. But we're stead got something big picture mind could be you on the other side of the veil just cheering you on taking a higher level perspective and speaking to you from there.

Greg Voisen
The best that I can explain it because I've been there is the I don't want to say it. There's a sense of peace. It's like when you've gone into a deep meditation, and you've experienced one of the most magical meditations you've had with, you know, the purple at the top of your crown chakra coming, pulsating. And you walk out of that. And other day I was at a, I was with a friend and I went to a self-realization Fellowship, which is right here in Encinitas. Yes, I know. And I And I'm, I'm a devotee. So we do the meditation. And I gotta tell people, this because I think this is, this is pretty important. You know, walk out, your pace slows, your mind slows, you observe the people, the birds, whatever it is. So I get in my car. And I'm driving, but I know I'm driving at a slower speed, I get that I get that I've slowed down. And people are honking at me. Like, ah. And I said to my friend, I said, I just got out of a meditation and look at these people. And the sense that I get is peace, you know that this space that we're talking about this experience we're talking about, is this amazing space, of just peace and tranquility. And that's where you reach this. Whatever source you want to call it, your angels, your other people. That's where you're going to access it when I wrote the book.

Michael Sandler
That's where I was. And the cool thing to me too, is that it doesn't mean that you're not going to get powerful messages, right? They may peacefully say, Turn the car, you're going the wrong direction. But they're going to do so even if it's turn car now. Do so out

Greg Voisen
of love. Yes, yes. I think that's important out of love. That is so important, Michael. So, you know, you're, we've talked about the environment, people set up what's optimal, I think that's great. Wherever you do it the morning, the evening, you do it in a bedroom, you do it out on your porch, it just go to the place you need to go. Your book, certainly the de facto for anyone wanting to explore the world of automatic writing, let's face it, what advice would you like to leave our listeners with so that their experience with automatic writing is meaningful, and a memorable one? In other words, I think that I think you can start this process off. And if you start off on the wrong foot, and you don't have that good experience, right away, you may like postpone. And I don't think people listening to this podcast should postpone because they have one or two, not optimal experiences.

Michael Sandler
So first, I'm going to be biased, and I'm going to say get the book, get the program. Heck, you can go on to Amazon and probably find a used copy for dollar 50 or something, right? Learn the whole process. Don't skip steps in the beginning. So critically important. And then kind of like your meditation experience, let go of the outcome. There's no such thing really as a bad meditation. Let's the fire alarm goes off and you sit there like that. There's no such thing as a bad automatic writing experience, because it's an energetic attunement. So we go in there without attachment to the outcome without needing anything from it Part A Part B. There is a trust that develops over time. I have a relationship that develops between you and whatever it is that you're speaking to. When I first started automatic writing, I was in a class where we connected with the Akashic masters, the librarians of the universe. How cool is that. And it wasn't the automatic writing experience, but it was their process of getting into the state and communicating with a masters. And I was told, you're going to be a leader, you're going to be a teacher, you're going to be speak before 1000s and 1000s of people up on a mountain top up on high. And I had to read that back to the class. And I was aghast. And I thought it was my ego and my ego take it over, and maybe out to be this blah, blah, blah. And I was horrified. And I that was my first experience. I didn't do it again, Greg for at least another year and a half, maybe two years. Then I did it again. Same answers. On my third time, same answer. Finally, after life was flipped upside down and backwards to where I needed something to shift my existence. I went into automatic writing and said, Alright, whatever you're saying, I'm going to suspend disbelief. And just play with it. And over time, it became clear of what was coming for me what was not fast forward. A few years later, I had our inspire nation show. It's on YouTube, it's everywhere. I had been invited to the Nobel Peace Prize conference in Mexico. I was a leader. I was a teacher. And I broadcast from our home up on a mountain top on Colorado. To 1000s and 1000s of people from up on high.

Greg Voisen
Yeah. That's perfect. That's perfect way to kind of wrap this up for our listeners. Now. For the listeners, like you said, go out and get a copy of the book. It's not a new book, when did you first publish it?

Michael Sandler
I believe now, a year and a half, two years ago, it took four tries to get it right with the guides. I'm so proud of it. As recently as probably the last month that became the number one again, angels and spirit guides and channeling book on Amazon, it bounces around the top a bunch. I do a channeled teaching everyday to raise your vibration at daily woohoo, that's W O H O daily woohoo.com. That comes right out of my automatic writing. So you can get a taste of it, you can get that energetic sense, because I want to do an energetic like an espresso pick you up every day. But it's something everyone should have access to. When I went to that Nobel Peace Prize summit, I wanted to like go to all the leaders who are already doing great things and give them each a copy. Because Can you imagine in this world, if everybody was plugged in at the highest level and taking action from there, how much the world would change?

Greg Voisen
Oh, tremendously. So we'd see so many great transformational shifts worldwide. You know, so our listeners just so they know you can get to Michael's work by inspiration. It's inspire nation show, inspire nation show.com www automatic writing.com is another way to get there. It's on the back of the book as well. And you can get go to the YouTube channel, which he's got just type in Michael Sandler, and you'll get a lot of his messages. He's got a lots of video up there. Michael, it's been a pleasure having you on thank you for sharing something that is so important. And I'm going to just say this blankly for really everybody to know, it doesn't matter if you're writing a book, or you're just getting out some emotional energy. This is a great way to heal, and continue to heal. In other words, something you can do for a lifetime. It isn't just something you do once you just stay with this. You just keep doing it and doing it and doing it. And I think once you start it and you get the feel for it. You'll be pleasantly addicted to this. This isn't a bad addiction. It's a good one. So namaste to you. Thank you for the great energy that you brought across these airwaves. To all of my listeners, and thank you for doing the work that you're doing, Michael,

Michael Sandler
Thank you so much, Greg, for me having me here. How does it get any better than this? get any better than that the

Greg Voisen
Next time we do it, we'll make it better. How's that?