Greg Voisen
Well, welcome back to Inside personal growth. This is Greg Voisen, the host of Inside Personal Growth. And joining me from Santa Cruz, California is Dr. Bruce Lipton. And Bruce and I were just talking prior to this. The last time we was on inside personal growth for all of my faithful listeners was January 7 2010. So it's been 13 years ago. Good day to you, Bruce.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
Hey, Greg, I tell you what, I missed that, because we had such a great conversation. And the audience is so spectacular, because this is the audience of seekers, people who want to get some power back in their lives. And you and I have some good stuff to talk about, about how they could finally recognize is that you don't die and go to heaven. You were born here. So let's enjoy it.

Greg Voisen
Yep. And I have the kind of people that will relate to what you have to say. We'll talk about quantum physics. We'll talk about epidemiology, or epigenetics. We can get into a lot of things today. But the focus is this book called The honeymoon effect. And let me let the listeners know, because they probably know you more for the biology belief than they do. The honeymoon. In fact, he was on the show about spontaneous evolution, which was a book that he wrote back when we did the podcast 13 years ago. But many of you don't, he doesn't need much of an introduction is Bruce Lipton is PhD internationally recognized leader in bringing science and spirit. He's a stem cell biologist, a best selling author, as I said to the Biology of Belief, if you haven't read that one, I'd say for all my listeners, go get it. He's been on hundreds of TVs and radio shows, including this one keynote speaker for national and international conferences. And we were just talking a bit. He's done all kinds of research. If you want to know more about Bruce, just go to Bruce lipton.com, Bruce lipton.com. There you will find out about his community, his events, his store, His books, His resources, everything that you want to learn about him. So that being said, I It wasn't that I didn't know about the honeymoon effect, but I never had a copy of it. It's it's telling listeners really, what's the science of creating heaven on earth, as you said, can you speak with the listeners about how we do it for ourselves, each other's the planet and define really what this honeymoon effect is. Because in the book, I was reading the part that Annie sent, which is more of the excerpt of the book, you know, you had a crazy with her divorce had problems with relationships, all kinds of things happening in your life, family issues, you never saw your mother and father very intimate at all. And all these things help to create our makeup, but you can tell our listeners how to break that right now.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
Yeah, well, I guess you know, it's so hard to where does this all start because I could go back and we could have 12 hours. And that could take us up to where we are. But I can maybe compress those 12 hours in a very short moment and basically come down to this is a conventional belief that is totally wrong. And that conventional belief is that genes control the character of our lives. So people have bought into the fact that whatever is running in their family, they're you know, susceptible of getting through the process of genes. It turns out genes cause less than 1% of disease on this planet. It's not the genes, it's a stress, stress, it's causing the issue. And I go, okay, so how does this you know, what's new here? In this understanding, say? Well, first of all, the belief about genes controlling Life is 100%. False. There's a new science called epi genetics. Now, genetics is the one that was almost everybody's learned genes. You know, we've got these genes at the moment of conception. If we don't like the characters, you can't change the genes. And then people are told that genes turn on and off by themselves, which then says you have no control. And I say, so what is the the net thinking that came from that educational experience? And the answer is, we're victims of our heredity. I didn't pick these genes, yet. They carry diseases that's running in my family, I'm going to get them and I got that gene. And everybody gets into the victim mode here. My research revealed a completely different insider reveal that genes don't control anything genes or blueprints to make what are called the proteins which are the building blocks of the human body protein. And genes are blueprints to make these a very complex molecule. So you need a blueprint. I go so let's first understand this gene is a blueprint, I guess, why is that relevant? I go, we'll go to an architect's office and she's Working on a blueprint and ask her, hey, is your blueprint on a Roth? And of course, she'll look at you and go, What are you crazy? It's a blueprint. There's no on and off I go, yes, that's a point of it. A Blueprint is just information. But how you use that information isn't determined by the blueprints determined by the architect. And I go, so in our bodies, genes are blueprints, and I say, Who's the architect? And it turns out the brain and consciousness are what are activating the genes and controlling their expression. Go, why is this new science? Different? While it's called epi genetics, and Epi means above? So I said what's called what we call skin, epi dermis. What does that mean? It's just below the skin is a layer called dermis. Just above is epi dermis. Epi means above. So the new size is called epi genetics. And I say this character is under epigenetic control. So what does that mean? It's under control epi above the genes? And all essentially what the genes didn't control? I got no, no, it was the consciousness. And the environment. I'm gonna go. So what's different? I said, well, the belief you've been programmed with and everybody's been programmed with is I'm a victim over these genes. And now we there's a new insight says, no, no. genes don't control themselves. They're controlled by the environment in our perception, I go, why is that relevant? And the answer, Greg is so simple is that we're the ones that create the environment where we create the perceptions. And as a result of that, is that we are the ones that control our genes. And all of a sudden, rather than being victims of our genetics, it turns out in truth, we are masters of our genetic activity, we change our genes based on our belief systems. Okay, well, that

Greg Voisen
comes down to I remember doing a really lively dialogue with Dr. Kenneth Pelletier, you probably know him, I'm sure as well lives up near you. And he said, Change Your Brain, Change Your genes, right? Whatever, I forget the name of the podcast, but change your genes change your life, is what it was. And, you know, this comes down to if he would kind of discuss how our behavior is driven by the subconscious mind. You talked earlier a minute ago about stress, because it's the stress ors in our life, that really do this. Now, I can tell you even just sitting here today at 69, my dad died at 53. From a heart attack, to my brothers had it. I'm not saying that I am are not susceptible. But I've changed my mind. I'm here I am. Right. So and many of them died way before me. So I think that's a good example for listeners to say, Hey, if you think your family genes are really your destiny, then Bruce is basically here to tell, you know, so let's say can you explain the dynamics between the conscious and the subconscious, and how it influences us, us and our relationships which cause the stress?

Dr. Bruce Lipton
Well, the first of all, the story is the mind is controlling all aspects of our life. And this is not Bruce saying this and out of school. No, this is quantum physics. The first principle of quantum physics 1927 Max Planck, one of the founding fathers of quantum physics is profoundly important statement is the mind is the creator of all of our experiences. And now, that was 1927. It's like, okay, that was day one, quantum physics I go, you know, in a more recent article in the journal Nature, one of the most prestigious scientific journals on this planet, and an article by a quantum physicist, and Johns Hopkins, Richard Kahn, Henry, the article entitled The mental universe, I don't need you to read the whole article, because I love it because the last sentence summed up the whole article, and he said, the universe is m material. Well, let's just, this is a quick insight from quantum physics. Everything is energy. And energy is invisible, which then all of a sudden throws a monkey wrench into our world of energy is invisible and everything's energy, how can I see anything? And well, can be simple answers. The lights are on. What does that mean? I said, because energy is invisible. And you're an invisible energy body. And I say you but I can see you, Greg, I can see me and I go, how can I do that? And I said, because when photons of light come from a source, the photons of light are, you know, reflected back when they hit the energy body. So you're not seeing me. You're seeing a veneer of photons that are, you know, hitting the surface and bouncing back. Everything is invisible. It's immaterial. That's the nature of quantum physics. except an atom isn't made out of matter, it's made out of energy. And everything made out of atoms, therefore, is also made out of energy as we all are. Because

Greg Voisen
Can you speak to our vibratory rate? Because the vibration that you know, when you're talking about this, most people say I can get on the table, Bruce, and it's solid, but we know that it's not right. Yeah, that in essence, is kind of what you're speaking about here. Yeah, is that a reflection,

Dr. Bruce Lipton
the solid part becomes important because it's like, okay, the visual part, I say everything's invisible energy. But you can see things only because the sun is out, the lights are on. ever it is and the photons are hitting the surface and bouncing back, you brought up the fact that you get on a table and you don't fall through the table. And I go, why every atom has a miniature energy cyclone, like a tornado, a nano tornado, there's a force. And that force is very powerful. So atoms have a force to it, I go. So imagine a tornado, I go, why is that important? I said, well, let's say the tornadoes come in, I say, take your car and drive into that tornado. And see if you can drive through it, I go, no, the moment you hit the edge of that tornado, the force of the tornado, the forces of force will lift up your car and throw it away, go away. That's physical, that's when energy has a physical character to it. The table is made out of atoms, each atom is a nano tornado, the atoms making up the table have very powerful forces. The point is you put your energy on top of the table, but the table has more energy and as atoms and you have in your body, and therefore, it feels hard because you can't go through it just like you can't drive through a tornado and do its physical. Okay, so the two weeks, the two things that make the appearance of matter is light, which then reflects off the energy so we can see what energy the you know, the experience or what energy looks like, watching and force, which is it has a force, if you try to push your hand through the wall, the atoms making up the wall have more force in them than you have in your hand. So when you push on the wall, the atoms of the wall push back. That's why it feels hard. Okay, so basically, it's all illusion. So let's go back to that quote in the journal Science, and I mean nature. And I want to emphasize very clearly, Greg, this nature is one of the most prestigious scientific journals on this planet. And this article blew my mind because the conclusion was published in the scientific journal. So here was the last sentence in the article on physics. The universe is m material mean, it's not matter its energy. The universe is m material. It's mental and spiritual, live and enjoy. It's like, Oh, my God, physics, science, physics, science in the most prestigious journal, recognizes the nature of mind and spirit as what's creating our life experiences. So basically says, you want to change the world and change your mind that the world changes with it. I got this honor present true.

Greg Voisen
Well, look, easier said than done. Right. And somebody like yourself, who's worked with 1000s of people over the years, you've spoken with them? You've got them, you've counseled them? What would you think is the biggest block to having someone make shift of perception about what the world is? Because their reality is, you know, we live in a always on fast paced world, people are using all kinds of things to stay connected, stress, stress world, yeah. And they seem to have lost touch. You know, I just got back from a seven day meditation retreat on the orcas islands with Joel and Michelle leaving. And you know, you come back into the world, you say, Well, is this the world? Or was that the world? And you start to question things. And so where I'm going with this is for all of my listeners who are seekers. So we said, and they're seeking to attempt to shift, a pattern, a belief, something in their life, what cool advice would you give them about that? And when we're still on the honeymoon effect, by the way, folks, because this all is really around how you create deep love in your life connection, and all of those other factors. So,

Dr. Bruce Lipton
okay, I think the biggest issue is people don't understand that. Yes, the mind is controlling our life experiences. And this is the fundamental principle of quantum physics. But the question that people get lost on us what the heck is the mind? Because we have this like, Oh, it's a thing the mind one thing I know, the mind is two things. And they are interdependent. They work together. So what two things I said Well, you've heard the name, conscious mind and subconscious mind I go There are two different entities, they have different functions, they work in different ways. And if you don't understand the difference, then you're lost and a definition of mine that doesn't really define what's happening. So let's start with the latest evolution of the brain called the conscious mind, which is a lobe of brain tissue right behind your forehead, which is called the prefrontal cortex. That's where conscious mind is the rest of the mind back here is called subconscious. So we have conscious subconscious say, Okay, what's the difference? Well, here, the conscious mind is creative. This is why humans are so above all the animals because we can have imagination. And we can create from imagination, and that's how we create the world we live in. I go, Okay, so the conscious mind is creative. If I ask anybody, what do you want from your life? The answer will come from the creative mind, oh, I want to be healthy, Rich, Happy and have great relationship, blah, blah, blah, whatever you want. A wish or desire and aspiration. That is what is coming from our conscious mind. In your in that mind, you're, you're working on wishes and desires. And I go, What about the other mind go, oh, the subconscious mind is actually a hard drive and a computer. The brain is a computer. It is an information processor, more powerful than any human has ever created. And it's a processor and so and it has a hard drive just like your computer. So I go back and I said, Look, if you buy a brand new computer, and you're booted up at home, and the screen lights up, and I say okay, it's booted up, do something, and you go, not until first I put programs in the computer, can I use it? I go, Oh, this is exactly what happens with the human brain. And starting in the last trimester of pregnancy. The human brains computer screen lights up, it's booted up, but then it has to learn programs before you can use it. So the first seven years of a child's life. The brain is designed to download programs. I go What do you mean designed? I say it operates at a vibrational frequency. He's got vibrational frequency. Yep. The brain is electric folks. That's why you could put wires on a person's head. It's called electroencephalograph, meaning it's the electrical activity of the brain. And there are different levels of activity. Consciousness is a higher vibration. unconscious or subconscious is a lower vibration. Okay, right. So so what's the difference here and I don't, the conscious mind is the creative one, but the subconscious is a hard drive with programs in it. Okay. Now, after age seven, the brain of a child is capable of now creating typing on the keyboard of that computer and putting information of what it wants into that computer. But, and this is the problem. Remember, programs are downloaded first I said, Where the heck you get the programs I go. The brain of a child is in a vibration called theta which is hypnosis. I go, a child has to learn how to be a member of a family how to be a member of a community. Are there rules I say there are 1000s of rules to be functional member but commanded a community and a family as well how's the child learn 1000 rules I go. The brain is in theta for the first seven years which is hypnosis. And so how does it learn programs it observes and watches the mother the father, the family and the community. And in a state of hypnosis, downloads behaviors of those that the child is watching. In my example, will come through it because especially if influence the honeymoon effect, my mother and father had a very dysfunctional relationship. And in my first seven years of life, I am downloading and observing my father's behavior because the focus is generally the male follows what the father's programs are. In generally, the female follows with the mothers programs are but in today's world, that's not so simple anymore. But the fact is, I observed my father, my first seven years downloaded, his behavior was dysfunctional. So what's the point? Well, that's a program but I have a creative mind, I can create anything I want. That's Conscious Minds, Like ah, so as long as I'm using my conscious mind, I can be the creative individual and not depend on the program. Now comes a problem. Like what is it? I said, the conscious mind can do two things. One, be creative. And to think the difference I go. When you are using your creative mind and manifesting the world, you're looking out through your eyes through the windshield, so looking at the world, and you're sort of like driving your vehicle using your conscious wishes and desires. Okay. But I said but the conscious mind can think us is what's the difference? I say? Well, let's ask Greg here. Greg, today's Thursday. Could you tell me what you're doing on Saturday?

Greg Voisen
could I tell you what I'm doing? It's me riding my bike.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
Written on your desk, there were no, I didn't

Greg Voisen
know. I just thought it up.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
I thought about it. I go, what does that mean? Rather than looking out a thought is looking in, you want to think about something you're not looking out. Now you're looking in, I guess what, what does that mean? I said, Well, if you're driving your vehicle with your conscious creative mind, you start thinking, guess what, now you're not looking out the window. I go, Well, you drive in the car, and you're not looking out the window, you're thinking, I go, Oh, my God, you could kill yourself. I said, No. Car still going, everything's going great. So what happened? And here is the problem, or becomes a problem. The subconscious mind is autopilot. You learned how to drive a car, it is now a program? Do you need to have the conscious mind run the program? Or can the computer just run the program on the computer and just run the program, you don't have to be there and knows how to drive the car. So the moment you're thinking, and this is the this is it? The moment you are thinking conscious mind is not looking out the window and it's not controlling your biology, your vehicle, you're on autopilot? You're on autopilot, which are the programs?

Greg Voisen
You're has. I don't know if you want to say this, but you're on AI, you know, but my my point is, is that I have an example. You know, as I was looking at this, we speak a lot with personal growth about limiting beliefs. Do you have a book called The Biology of Belief where the belief came from? is, as you said, I picked those up along the way. But I also have chosen through hypnotherapy, to change that look at the subconscious mind and make some changes. Lots of changes. Yeah, I'm just wondering, what technique what advice would you give these listeners about the opportunity to look deep with an and or look at the subconscious mind that has them on autopilot that probably has a bunch of limiting beliefs associated with 60%? Yeah. And I think this would be quite valuable for the listeners to hear your take, okay. If they're saying, hey, Bruce, I'm stuck. You're eight helped me get unstuck.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
Okay. So here's the first part. You think and this is the average number for everybody on the planet 95% of the day, like, what does that mean? It says, well, 95% of the day, their conscious creative mind is not operating outside is operating inside. That means 95% is that you are playing programs. Okay? I said, do you even see these programs that you're playing from your automatic, subconscious autopilot? I say, No, I say why not? Because you're not looking at the program. You're inside. So whatever's playing, you don't see it?

Greg Voisen
Are you the one that came up with the statement? Bruce, sorry for interrupting, but I, I, I'm not certain you were. But there is a statement that says you don't have to believe everything you think?

Dr. Bruce Lipton
And come up with that. But that's absolutely a very important facts.

Greg Voisen
Right. But so what happens is we think, and then we believe, but that's not the way it should be.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
No, no. Because when you're thinking you're playing your program anyway. And I said, is it your program said no. And again, you got it from your parents and your family and community. I said, to what you download it from them and becomes your program? Did they answer what you wanted? What You Wish For what you desire, I go, not necessarily I say, Well, if they didn't put that in the program, then you're going to have a hard time getting it exactly. Here's the problem. I said, When did you get program? I said it started when the screen of your brain booted up in the last trimester of pregnancy. You weren't even born yet. And you're downloading programs. Okay. And I go significance is this. Can you tell me the programs you got before you were born? It's just I can't tell you I wasn't there and I go, Well, oh, your program a whole year from zero to one, you want to tell what programs you get when you were zero? I don't know what. Okay, you were in program another whole year from one to two, tell me the program you got when you were one. Now I don't know what that program is. And then two to three is another year. And I go so what's the point in saying you cannot tell me your programs, because you were downloading programs before you were conscious. And I say so now we have a problem. Why? Because 95% of your life is coming from the program. And you cannot tell me what that program is, I gotta say, but I can let you know what your program is because you can figure it out. I said, What does that mean? I go 95% of your life is coming from subconscious programs. I go. So what I say your life is a printout of your programs, even though you don't know what the program was. You're manifesting it in your life right now. So I say so what does that mean? I said, look at your life right now, and recognize a very simple fact. The things you love I like that come into your life. They come in because you have programs to acknowledge those things. But and this is the one the things that you wish for and desire, but you struggle to have them you work hard, you put a lot of effort into it, you sweat over, I'm, I'm working, I'm gonna make I'm making this happen. I go, why are you working so hard? The answer is, whatever that destination you seek, your programs don't support it. And therefore, you're trying to override a program that's running 95% of the days doesn't support where you want to go. That's why life is a struggle. And

Greg Voisen
so So that being said, Yes. Let's ask the add on question to that. If I'm struggling, because it's pre programmed, I don't even remember what was pre programmed in. Yep. And I think to a certain degree, the body builds in these, the body and the mind builds this in for us, we have these mental lapses. And I don't know if they're on purpose, but they seem to be. And I think every listener out there can relate. You said a very important thing. If that's the case, how do I recognize what that is, and move up the level of consciousness to make myself aware of that is the block because most people aren't even aware that's the block,

Dr. Bruce Lipton
because most people and here's the, you know, where's the block coming from, I can tell you very important, why you have a block and notice this, when you're thinking and playing the program, you're the only one that cannot see the program, because you're not paying attention. Exactly. So whatever is coming out, you have no idea you even are saying or doing that. But everyone around you sees it and knows that because they're responding to you. And the problem is, then when things don't work out for an individual and you look at your life, and you go, I didn't want this. I wanted heaven on earth and look at this mess. I am a victim. I got no, you see, this is the part that was invisible. You didn't see you were manifesting that because we're creating our life. And I go, Well, you didn't see it. And this is why the Greg of 13 years ago, I should have told the same story. You have a friend, you know your friend's behavior very well. And you happen to know your friend's parent. And one day you see your friend has the same behavior as the parents, so you got to tell your friend to go, Hey, Bill, you're just like your dad, back away from Bill. Because I know exactly what Bill's gonna say, and you already heard it. And then Bill's gonna say, How can you compare me or my dad, I'm nothing like my dad. And the audience laughs because they experienced I said, that is the profound point. Everybody else can see Bill's behavior, the only one who can see it is Bill, right? I go, now you're ready for this one, because this is the one that hits you in the head. We are all bill, every one. Everybody is every day. And I say so when life isn't working out. The tendency is I feel like a victim because I did not see my participation. I just see the responses. And I blamed them. And I'm the victim, those people interfered with my life, I go no your program interfere with your life, and you're the only one that didn't see it. So this becomes an issue. And that's why I said What are your programs? I said, look at your life. If you're struggling in some place, how

Greg Voisen
do we become a better observer of self? I mean, I know that individuals in this we're talking about honeymoon effect here, that's kind of a focus. But these individuals have not been an observer of self, they haven't seen their limiting beliefs. And it's preventing them from experiencing what your book is all about. Not the honeymoon effect on the relationships, because relationships are everything, if everyone around us is seeing it, our wife, our boss, our employees, or whatever kid downloading it from you, right? And they're saying I picked that up from like you said, Dad, yes, or or Mom, if it's someone else listening? What is what is the px for this, the prescription

Dr. Bruce Lipton
with a prescription first is to identify where you're having trouble. Because if you don't know where you're having trouble, then you don't know where the problem and

Greg Voisen
let's say they do know where the trouble is.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
Ah, so now, the say, I'm trying to get to this destination is not working. Right. And I'm struggling, I'm struggling. I'm saying the struggle is reflecting the fact that your program doesn't support that destination, okay? I say so. I say, but I want to get to that destination, I say, well, then you got to change the program. So before you can change the program, first, you have to know what the hell the program is you're changing. So that's why I say look at your life, let's say.

Greg Voisen
Let's say they've identified they've taken on characteristics of their father that they don't like, and everybody else is observing it. Yeah, but they haven't been able to let those characteristics go because it's a hard drive. Okay,

Dr. Bruce Lipton
so you're gonna stay there. And as long as you do not change that program, it'll be there your entire life. So Greg, when did you learn how to walk? That was a program year old usually. Yeah. And guess what? You're still walking. And I'm still walking I'm at you could be 100. And I said, Where the heck did the program for walking comfort I said before to say, oh, so what's the point? The programs lasts forever until you change them. Now, it's a good program like walking, I don't want to change that. That's pretty good. But if it's a program of relationships, and I'm not succeeding, why how do I know because I have a relationship. That's a good point right there. It's not working. Okay. And I say, so what do I want to do I want to change that. I said, Well, how do you change this? They will first you have to recognize that the program is not coming from the creative conscious mind. That's the one wishes and desires. It's not coming from is coming from the subconscious hard drive. Okay. And the significance is, how do you change a program?

Greg Voisen
Advocate? Do you advocate people do hypnosis, I go to a hypnotist and it works seems to work?

Dr. Bruce Lipton
Yeah, well, okay, for let's say, How did you first learn programs? And how, you know, I can tell you this for seven years, How'd you learn programs? You were in a state of hypnosis. You just downloaded them? That's all you had to do was just be there. That's right. I got programs. Okay.

Greg Voisen
But you don't see them running. Bruce. It's like, you don't see the program running?

Dr. Bruce Lipton
No, that's what I told you. Why don't you see the program running, because your conscious mind is not looking out the window at your behavior. It's inside seeking some thought, which means whatever behavior is running from the program, you're the only one who can see it. Everybody else can see it. They're watching you. They can see what you're doing. You're not watching you. You're inside thinking. So whatever's coming out, you're the only one that doesn't know what it is. And that's why I said, well, there are programs that are good. Well, you know those because they bring good stuff to you.

Greg Voisen
I don't I don't know if this is relevant to what you're saying that I'm going to say it because it just popped into my head as a creative thought. A lot of people are using chat GBT today, right there. So there's this big computer in the sky, wherever the hell it is. And we're plugging into Bart, or we're plugging into chat GBT or we're plugging in wherever. And it's spitting back to us. You say, can you see the program running? I literally see the program running when I asked the question, because it literally comes back and it feeds back this information. And in essence, we're trying to learn how that information is being fed back to us. Right? In our own mind, right? That's the program I'm talking about. And we haven't been able to do that as human beings. Yes.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
As I said, Until you recognize that your life is a printout of your program, then you have no recognition of what my programs are, or have no recognition, why I need a reflection to see what my program is. And that's why I say, look at your life. That is the reflection of your program. As I said, not all bad programs, excuse me. Well, if awareness, learning how to walk is a great program. I tried a program for that.

Greg Voisen
I think you said number one aware of what it is you're doing.

Elliott Dacher
So if you were to give the listeners today, some practical ideas,

Greg Voisen
steps exercises, things they could tap into to sustain the honeymoon effect. I mean, let's face it, they're looking for the honeymoon effect they're looking for. That doesn't mean they have it doesn't mean they're satisfied. It just means that this is a destination it's like the picture behind you. The the New Zealand is a place I'd like to go right but I haven't manifested getting there but you're actually going to be able to tell us some things on how to Create New Zealand in our life

Dr. Bruce Lipton
Well, the point is this the first thing you have to do is say what's not working because if you know what's not working, then you have a destination. If something's working I don't have to bother with it. It's going to be automatic anyway you know I don't have to relearn how to walk I got walking down pretty damn good. You're walking our relationships down I go well no, I didn't why? Because where did I get a program of how to create relationship by watching my father he was dysfunctional so what did I have dysfunctional programming. I just copied his okay. So that's in the subconscious is that my wish and desire say no, that's a program that I got my wishes and desires to have the honeymoon effect to enjoy the the joy and happiness of being alive to have the energy that you get when when you are so unloved you can do anything and to have an experience of heaven on earth. You know, the movie called The Matrix. People say science fiction and I Go, no, the matrix is a documentary, like what do you mean? I go? What's the premise? The premise of the matrix is everybody's program like, Oh, that's a true story. That's not a document. I mean, a science fiction, we're all program. Right? Okay. And I say, But the cool part about that was, in the movie, there was a part where if you take a red pill, you've made your little program, okay? And what I want to suggest is that most people in this audience right now, had taken that red pill at one time with profound effects on their lives. It didn't necessarily last, but it was there. When they did. I said, What is it one of the big red pills is falling in love? Like a why, what's the difference? I say, why is my subconscious program running my show? And the answer is because my thinking brain is busy thinking 95% of the day, what's the red pill? I stopped thinking, I go, what is that app I said, when you fell in love the first time big time ago what happened? I go, your life was bah, bah, bah, bah, blah, you met somebody. And 24 hours later, you're gone. Man, life so beautiful. I'm in love. Everything's great. The food, the music are awesome. I love my life. I go, how'd you go from Bah, blah, blah. And then 24 hours later you had heaven on earth? And the answer is profoundly simple and important. Because science is recognized. When you fall in love. You stop thinking, I go, what does that mean? You stay present. You're being mindful. I said, why is that? I said, Look, you've been looking for this person, your whole life there right now in front of you. Is this a time to disconnect and go back into thinking and not be here? And again? No, you stop thinking. I said, Well, what happens if you stop think I said, well, then you stop defaulting to the program. And I said, then what happens? I said, Well, now they're you're not playing programs, what are you playing, conscious creativity, what is that wishes and desires. I see what happened, you stop playing the defaulting program, and you start manifesting wishes and desires, that's called the honeymoon. The honeymoon is a creation wasn't an accident, you created that. You also created all the blah, blah, blah, before the audio mode as well. But the point about resist. When we stop thinking, then the conscious mind is not defaulting and letting the subconscious takeover when you stop thinking you are now creating continuously from this. So the best ideas, okay, then stop thinking I go Well, that's easy to say. But in a world where we're so busy with so many things, thoughts have to come up. So I said, Now we have a problem. I go what? Well, if I could just stop thinking I could then create what I wanted. I have a moon on Earth. That's what it was all about. But I can't stop thinking. So then I said, Well, what can you do? I said, Well, the only other thing you can do is change the program. I go well, how do you know what the program is? We just did that. Your program is wherever you're struggling, there's a program that's causing that not the world preventing you from having what you want it. It's your own program that is sabotaging you. I'm wondering that relationship 40 plus years, no relationship. I got to the point that I never even believed in love anymore. I thought oh, that's, you know, novelist and movie directors. That's where love is coming from. It's not real. I'm almost 50 I don't know what it is I own it, so it doesn't exist. And then I started to recognize something and that was, my God. If I keep playing my father's behavior, I'll end up with what he has. And that's why it didn't work. So I need to change it. Now comes Greg's big question, Bruce, how do you change those damn programs? So I said, well, there are three ways to change programs I say two of those are how you got the programs in the first place. I say so how do I get them in first place? Well, we mentioned the first seven years you're in a state of theta which is hypnosis. I go so what do you have to see a Hypnotherapist? I said well you can but you could do it at home alone. I go What do you mean? When you fall in love you created heaven on earth as it created. Yes. That because your conscious mind was now running your life, not your programs. That was what happened when you stop running the program that's equal When taking the red pill, you're now operating from creative mind. And then what did you do you manifest a creative vision, hook greater vision of what?

Greg Voisen
We're going back to theta.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
So you're going back to theta, right? Well, how do you get to theta? So doing you said, we could do it on our own, we can do it on our own, right? Because the vibrations in the brain, when you're at work are very high. And as you start to relax, the vibration slowed down. And there's a point where actually, we're consciousness disconnects, where you're actually just fall asleep, but the vibration is still going down. And the next vibration where after your consciousness just shut off is called theta. And that's a short period, and then it goes into the lowest vibration called delta, which is outright unconscious. Okay? So I say, so when I say every night when you go to bed, then shortly, right after your consciousness went asleep, you're in a state of theta, which is hypnosis. So I say, so when I say, when you go to bed, you put your plugged earbuds or hearing, you know earphones, and you play a program of what you want in your life. They're self help programs, you can get them in bookstores, and I say, let's say you want health or relationship or better job, their programs. I see. So what do you do I say, as you're going to bed just before you go to sleep, you put on the earphones, or the earbuds and you start playing the program and I go while you're awake, you'll actually hear what's going on a bit. But the moment you actually fall asleep, guess what consciousness is disconnected. I said, then what I say, now you're in theta, I say we have a consciousness and paying attention. I know theta is subconscious. Theta is hypnosis. So as you're sleeping, whatever is coming through the earphones, not going into the conscious mind. It's going into the subconscious. And by repeating this night after night, you will reprogram this while you're sleeping. Two hours lullaby. So what do you have to do I say fall asleep. Because I'm going to fall asleep, theta will take over earphones are going to play a program that theta is going to download. That's how you do it. So self hypnosis, that's what it's called? Okay?

Greg Voisen
Well, it's a, it's a great way for our listeners to basically make a shift and do that. So put the earphones on, as you said, that's how I do positive affirmations that you want things in your life, record them in your own voice, sometimes that works even better.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
As always, it's a very, very, very important part about programming. Okay, writing the program, when you're putting in a program has to be present tense, positive, meaning what? It's not, I will be healthy. The statement is I am healthy. Because if you program I will be healthy. I say let's record that right now. And I say now, let's come back in a year, and let's hear what the program is. I will be healthy essay. So whole year, you never got healthy. all you are is I will be healthy. You never can. You can't get there because you never said I am healthy. So a very hard part is when you're reprogramming it has to be positive in a sense, like I already got it. Present tense, I already got it and as positive. It's like totally. I don't want cancer. I go because the focus is cancer. It's not health. If you're sick, it's like I am healthy. That's the program. Right? I so positive present tense that's really critical. So this is what these sub subliminal programs that once we talked about putting the earbuds or earphones on, they're called subliminal because you're already asleep. That's when the program is going in. And they're always in positive present tense you are this you are this you have this. So it has to be that way.

Greg Voisen
I know that I know that when I've gone to my hypnotherapist that everything he says. So like if I'm gonna go into a surgery, right, which I've had lots of skin kind of precancerous things and cancers things and he says, the site is clean. You are healing 100% There is no blood. There is Na Na here I can repeat almost everything that he says because I'm literally laying in a chair subconscious. But my point is when I go in for those surgeries for you know, squamous cell bases, so I've actually had a melanoma as well, that literally what it is that the nurses will say, wow, you're not bleeding. It's weird. How can you how come you're not bleeding them? They've said that to me like five or six times? And I said well, I go to hypnotist the day before I go in for these things. And he programs my mind and they're like, whatever he's doing its work and because you're not you're

Dr. Bruce Lipton
not even through hypnotherapy, you can go through an operation without it anesthetic. Exactly. Because pain is a brain function and can change the brain's response. So it doesn't record that and you can go in and get surgery without an anesthetic, the power of the brain and creating the reality if you go in and like, this is gonna hurt and I go, geez, don't say that, because now you're manifesting what this is going to hurt, you don't realize that your thoughts turned into reality, and therefore we don't watch our thoughts and 60% or more of those thoughts are disempowering, or self sabotaging, or limiting beliefs you don't recognize? Are you saying positive things about your life where you think, Oh, this is not gonna work? Well, that can happen and blah, blah, go? Those words are going to determine your life at this moment.

Greg Voisen
Yeah, I think as people set their intentions when they wake up in the morning, give their gratitude, do their meditation, and then put the focus on their day really focus on those things that are positive that you're going to get out of life. It's important now, kind of pulling this interview all together.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
We don't want to talk about the second and third way then. Yeah, sure, if you've got it, but very quickly, talking about the second way I said, Okay, you learned programs after you were age seven, you weren't in hypnosis. So I said, How'd you learn a program after age seven drive in a car playing an instrument. I say, repetition, you practice. That's what makes habits practice. So if you want to change your life, then practice a different life. The new agey thing, which I always laugh is called Fake it till you make it, you're not a happy person, you want to be happy person, all day long. As many times you can say, I am happy, I am happy to yourself, I am happy. I am happy. What's the point? Repetition makes habits. And if you repeat it enough times, there'll be a day you wake up and you don't have to stay up because you already woke up with one new habit. I am happy already got it now. So

Greg Voisen
so the first one is to take this, these headsets over them on earbuds, do self hypnosis, listen to positive affirmations in the present. The second one is to create habits, representation of women petition of what you want, and what

Dr. Bruce Lipton
is a marvelous experience. And I've been through both these other ones before I found the third one. And that's called energy psychology. I go What the hell is that I go. These are processes that engage what is called Super learning. Like what's super learning the ability to download something in minutes and walk away different. A child under seven can do this, a child could see it once and boom, hypnosis, it's in, walks away, it's got the program already. There are processes which can do the same after being a kid. And these are called Super learning experiences. I've used them and I depend on them. Some of them, like the one I use is called psych K, Psy, CH hyphen, k.com. And I go, why is that important? I said, because I can change my life in 10 or 15 minutes and walk away different. And I go, Oh, my God, this is what necessity is the mother of invention. Human behavior has to change very quickly, because we're destroying ourselves on the planet at this very moment, by living the way we're living. So we've got to change our belief systems, right? Thank God now, do I have to do the first two which are time consuming self hypnosis, repetition, these are time consuming. What if you can go in, and then 10 minutes walk away with a new program. I go, God, that's the miracle of today. And I have about 25 to 30 different energy psychology modalities on my website, Greg brought it up. It's simple. Bruce lipton.com. Look under belief change modalities. There's a paragraph and a website for each one of these so you can read about it and get to connect with them. And I go, this is almost a fundamental requirement. If you want to change your life. You don't have to take days and weeks to do it. You can do it in minutes. Can it's a struggle. I'm the living example of Are you kidding me? And a beautiful part was I went in and realize that my dysfunctional behavior I downloaded from my father was preventing me from having a honeymoon relationship thing on this planet. I rewrote that that and I'll tell you the two biggest programs that affect 80 to 90% of everybody out there. Number one, is the belief of not loving yourself that I am not lovable. Okay, I am. Because we're self critical. We criticize ourselves. So we're never good enough. We're not lovable. 80 90% of the people not test positive for I love myself. I go why is that important? If you can't love yourself, you can't be loved by anybody else because it wouldn't make sense. So you're

Greg Voisen
usually going around as an angry person if you can't love yourself, because that's, that's it that exactly because you're thinking the world is against you the other.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
And since thought is creating, right, if you think the world is against you, you will manifest a behavior that the world is against you.

Greg Voisen
And well, the biggest one, as you've said, and I'll just repeat for the listeners is, we're 100% responsible for ourselves. In other words, no one outside of us is doing anything to us. And if you're expecting someone else to make you happy, you're on the wrong boat, you better get off. It's gonna make you happy. I mean, if your book was called the honeymoon effect to make you happy, it would be like, Hey, you get this. And I think these are pretty simple concepts to discuss. They're a little bit more challenging difficult, because as you've said, during this whole podcast, there's a program in there that's running, right? Yes, you have to have this willingness to change the program nuts.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
In other words, we actually have to do something, wait for it to happen, right? But just wait long enough, it'll be better, I don't know, it's gonna stay exactly the same and change the program.

Greg Voisen
Right. And I think you over time, you know, you've said, you're almost at 69. And I have noticed, as we recognize, we have less time, we actually want to expedite those changes in our life. Right? That's, that's one of those things.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
Are those energy psychology modalities? Do I have to wait weeks to figure this out? Or can I do it in 15 minutes, I can tell you 15 minutes a hell of a lot easier. Yeah. And it works so fast. And as a rewritable program, you have a hard drive your subconscious. And you can rewrite the programs

Greg Voisen
now, and I love what you said about going to your website, and I will give the link to the listeners and look under Resources and find these there's a page and something they can read. But in wrapping this up? What are some of the let's just say what is one big takeaway, or two that the readers would have from the honeymoon effect. And what's a deeper understanding of the concepts kind of that you've presented in a simplistic form for our listeners,

Dr. Bruce Lipton
let's start off with a very basic fact of life. And that's called Knowledge is power. And let's also say it in a different way. Same thing, though, a lack of knowledge is a lack of power. The programming that the people have on this planet generally is a lack of knowledge. It's Miss programming, it's a belief that they're victims of the world. And if you operate from that, then you become exactly what that program is a victim of the world. If you rewrite the program, where you are the master of your life, and the creator of your genetics and all that stuff, then you become the master controlling your life doesn't work. Well listen, for 40 plus years, I was the victim of programming. And then I started understanding the nature of changing the program and how to do it, change the program. And here's a simple true story. I've been with my partner, Margaret, 28 years, every day, I wake up, I'm still fresh in a honeymoon. Why? Because every day, I'm so happy to be alive on this planet with the new programs that I have. And I experienced this every day. And guess what doesn't mean? Everything works out for me. But when it doesn't work out, in the old days, I used to get angry, upset the guy. And today, it's like, oh, it's not working, I'll do something else. And all of a sudden, I realized how much easier life is when you're not shooting yourself in the foot with your own program?

Greg Voisen
Well, you said self compassion, right? So like, if we don't have that self love, we can't love anybody else. And Bruce, nobody can love you either. Right? Because

Dr. Bruce Lipton
if they say, I love you, and then you said, Well, what's wrong with you? I know, I'm not lovable. What's wrong with your ability to see that? You know, I know I'm not lovable. And you will push them away, and then they're gonna guess what you're gonna say, see? They're not here. I told you I wasn't lovable. And you didn't realize you were the one a personal Miranda was?

Greg Voisen
Well, I think I think this is an appropriate time to insert a little quote. And it's a quote from the Dalai Lama. And he says, In the end, you're going to be remembered by how many people you love to who loved you, and how much you let go. And you know, when you look at those three things, and I'm paraphrasing it, that's an essence kind of what you talked about right? And the letting go part I know it's cliche. Everybody hears this the letting go part but the part is, what what could you do if you let go of one of those old programs and put a new program and and reprogram? And the epigenetics was a really important factor that you discovered just So today you Aren't your parents, right? You aren't you do not have to live that life. And I think this honeymoon effect is something everybody can have all day long, every day of their life. Right? Right, doing some of the simple things that you've advised here today.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
So it just got to do it. But if you have no knowledge, a that you're even participating in your own life, because you perceive yourself as the victim, with you already said, I'm a victim, I say, Well, what kind of belief is that, that's not going to help you, you actually have to say, with knowledge, I can change this life. That is a fact of science, that is fact of quantum physics. That's a fact of epigenetics and new genetics, all of this is you are controlling this. But if you have no knowledge that you're controlling it, then you just walk around mindlessly being a victim of your own program, not from the outside, but from the inside is where it's coming from. And I want you to take it back. Why? Because that experience you had when you did fall in love. And let me just say, falling in love doesn't have to be with another person. Falling in love is doing something that gives you so much joy, you stop thinking because you want to be there. You could be an artist, you could be a gardener, putting your hands in the dirt. And it's like, the joy of planting, you know, or being a chef and preparing a meal. I go you're creating, you're creating, I guess what, when you're creating, you're not thinking you're being in there, I go, Oh, well, then guess what? When you're creating, you're not playing programs, right?

Greg Voisen
Well, and look, you're you're the founder of this biology belief in you have the, I'm going to call it the trademark on it and say, Look, all of us didn't realize that. But we can be our own neuroplasticity runs. And the reality is, is that it isn't a matter of you having to go anywhere or do anything, it's a matter of the things you want to change in your life, and how you go and the advice that you've given today. Again, Bruce, I want to thank you, because you've given some wonderful advice. For all my listeners, go to Bruce lipton.com. That's one, two, when you look Bruce up, we're going to have a link to this book, the honeymoon effect for on Amazon. But he has other books as well, that I would I would go back and say The Biology of Belief, most definitely, if you want to get to the root of what Bruce is talking about here, that's another great book to read. Bruce, it's always a pleasure having you on inside personal growth.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
We do this more than every 13 years,

Greg Voisen
we will I'm going to invite you back to talk about wanna come back of my brain.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
We didn't get deeper into the meat of what this is all

Greg Voisen
about this. Because I know my listeners attention span is only so long, right? I have a pretty good idea. We'll break this up into little modules. Are you open to doing that?

Dr. Bruce Lipton
I'm open to whatever you think because you're the master back there. I'm just talking Matt.

Greg Voisen
Well, you're more than a talking head, I'm gonna give you credit for being and aware, awake and alive. And and somebody who has something really important to stay. That's why I was wanting to get you back on the show again. And the timing is perfect. Because in the evolution of our world, our society, our our people what we're all wanting to become not do. Yeah. Bruce Lipton is the guy to listen to. And I need to underline that, Bruce, because you've been talking about this for the last 50 years,

Dr. Bruce Lipton
right? Yes, actually, that is half a century.

Greg Voisen
And I always appreciate perspective and wisdom coming from someone who's had a lot of experience in the ages. And that's why I think my show has grown. I've hung in I've been persistent. So people keep listening to the show. So like this, I'm gonna invite you back for two more episodes where we can dive a lot deeper into this. And I'll be back in touch with you to do that, as I hope

Dr. Bruce Lipton
so. And of course, I hope your audience thinks it's worthwhile and they ask you so that means that there's more incentive for me to come back for you.

Greg Voisen
Well, here's the thing we do. We make a transcript of this and in the transcript, my my listeners understand that the highlighted points of what you said can literally be if they only want to take 45 seconds and go back and look at the transcript. And it's already highlighted for them. And already this is a this is the best place that you want to do so I call it the Cliff Notes version of Bruce Lipton. Don't forget the Cliff Notes version of Bruce Lipton today so I I love you so much. Thank you for everything. Thanks. for being on the show, I'll have you back again,

Dr. Bruce Lipton
Greg. But let me also the most important thing is the audience out there. I want to thank them because they're seeking something and in today's world with a chaos abounding everywhere around here, it's time for us to take our power back seekers keep keep seeking, you'll find it and when you find it your guess what? You don't die and go to heaven. You were spending your time here to create it. So I hope you will find it and love it.

Greg Voisen
I couldn't say it any better. Thank you so much.

Dr. Bruce Lipton
Thank you, Greg.