Greg Voisen
Welcome back to Inside personal growth. This is Greg Voisen, the host of Inside Personal Growth. And joining me from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho is Dr. Jeffrey Larson. And Dr. Larson is going to be speaking with us this morning on how we're actually kind of treating back pain or back pain. He's a specialist in that. And he owns a clinic called the Quarter Lane, Spine and Brain. And prior to him doing this, he was a renowned neurosurgeon as well. Good morning to you, Dr. Larson, how are you?

Dr. Jeff Larson
Good morning to you. I'm very well, how are you?

Greg Voisen
I'm doing great. And it's good to have you on our show. And this is an unusual show for my listeners. So let me kind of frame it up for them by giving them a little bit of information about your background, and then we're gonna go into the intro and then the questions for it. But this show is intended to be educational for all of you who are out there, and also educational for any of the physicians that are tuning in that or want to learn more about a product called intelli fat Bo D. We'll get into that during the course of the questions here. Dr. Larson is a board certified neurosurgeon. As I said a second ago spine surgeon and founder of the Cordyline spine and brain. He received his undergraduate training at the University of Michigan after receiving his medical degree from the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine. Dr. Lawson completed his surgical internship and neurosurgery registered residency training at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center and the Mayfield Spine Institute. He devotes his medical practice exclusively to the treatment of disorders of the spine. He's an expert in the areas minimally invasive, which we're going to be talking about spine surgery, microscopic surgery, surgical and non-surgical treatments for serious back and spine problems. You can learn more, as I said a minute ago, if you want to go to his website, we are going to have links to that website. So that'll be in the blog. So take a look at it. You know, he has a special guest to the show any and really, it's just not he's just not any regular medical practitioner. It comes with a really rich background. And as I said, one of the primary reasons for having Dr. Larson on the show today is because his remarkable work with the cell Max and Calafat VOD. Through this innovative tool, Dr. Larson has been achieving significant successes, transforming lives of his patients, and pushing the boundaries of what we understand about the body's ability to heal and rejuvenate itself. Whether you're familiar with this, or not the term regenerative medicine for all those listeners who don't understand this, this is at the forefront in today's world. So we'd like to enlighten and inform you and maybe even inspire to think differently about your own personal path toward your well being how you might treat yourself. Dr. Larson, thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for spending some time with us. Let's start with you know, really excited to kind of delve into your unique, unique approach to treating patients. Could you elaborate on what sets your practice apart from other Neurosurgery and Spine surgery fields? Because, you know, there's a lot of choices that the listeners could make, and you're actually at the forefront and bleeding edge on doing this kind of treatment. So I'd probably like to know about that.

Dr. Jeff Larson
Yeah, well, I think you for your listeners, and welcome everybody. I think it was it was it should resonate with you hear what Greg said, you need to think differently. You need to think differently about how you're being treated. There's a healthcare system out there that has an entropy to it. And this is this results in a destructive chaos, if you will, and it's not good. And I think everybody who's listening to this has probably had some frustration in dealing with the system and that's, that's, that's in every specialty in Neurosurgery and Spine in particular, it's more sensitive because of the what the disease that we're dealing with the problem the life changing things that we're dealing with. So I think for starters, it's important for you to become sort of the CEO of your health, your health, you need to educate yourself you need to become something heal yourself with what is available to you and seek that treatment. What differentiates me from my peers, quite honestly, is that I take more responsibility in the outcome in my opinion, I have in been when I, when I graduated from my residency program, I went to work for a hospital system, neurosurgery group, large group and in hospital system, I opted out of the I was on an academic course I was well published and a lot of research, I went to medical school to be a biomedical engineer, quickly switched into the sciences. And then in I'm sorry, I went to college in Michigan to be a biomedical engineer. I was a student athlete there, and that in that very, very diverse environment. And with being a athlete and a student in that setting, you take ownership, you take responsibility, and that resonated with me. Throughout my training, I met my mentor in neurosurgery had no intention of being a neurosurgeon met my mentor neurosurgery during medical school, switched into neurosurgery and was destined for academics but opted for a more of a different lifestyle.

Greg Voisen
Well, you you've also been an inventor, too, you've invented products for this right that you've patented and put out there. Yes. And that's it. That's a difference, because not all surgeons also have created products. As an offshoot, what without getting into too much detail, compelled you to want to go invent these products. To help further what I would say, the effects associated with somebody going through spine surgery from a to a positive standpoint,

Dr. Jeff Larson
I've just always gravitated towards trying to solve problems. Yeah, and so in, in and these, the way of the way you used to patent would be you write you draw art, and that art would be signed each day, and you'd have these pictures and drawings. And it would be it would be set, the time set it be it would count as prior art. Now you have to actually go through the mechanics of actually filing patents and such. But in that realm, I do have numerous patents out there. And I have products that are in the market right now and being used in patients in spine surgery, as we speak, to try and better outcomes. And it's just that there was sort of the, the, the inventive biomedical engineer in the they got matched with this now, neurosurgeon.

Greg Voisen
Yeah, it's, it's fascinating, I was looking at some of your research papers and things that you've done. And obviously, you're very knowledgeable about this area. But for many of the listeners, they might be unfamiliar with Neurosurgery or Spine Surgery. They may have been advocated to have that but maybe haven't gone down the road. Could you describe what that entails and how you differ from other surgeons way of maybe approaching this? I would assume that you're looking for more minimally invasive solutions before you're ready to just go ahead and do cut and do what you would normally do, right?

Dr. Jeff Larson
Absolutely. You know, not only does when you're in medical school somewhere in your clinical years, you decide whether you're going to be a medical doctor, or whether you're going to be a surgeon, if you're going to be a surgeon, what kind of searching are you gonna be one that saves lives? Are you going to be one that makes people prettier? You know, not only does a neurosurgeon or does neurosurgery involve the life of patient. But the discipline focuses on the diagnosis and a treatment of the brain, the spine and the peripheral nerves, that focuses on the entire system, not just a part of it. And the diagnosis is key to the success of an outcome. I pride myself in the diagnosis, we spend so much time with the patient in terms of figuring out by way of their evaluation, their history, their physical examination, the imaging and other sensitive tests available to what's wrong first, and then be open to the variety of treatments.

Greg Voisen
Whether it's advanced, I watched a video at your website, Dr. Larson about you doing a surgery on a gentleman. We're using a couple of cannulas that you inserted and then you had a device you were looking at on the screen to see exactly where to insert what you're doing. But it was certainly a very minimally invasive type procedure wasn't like Well, I'm gonna go just take this knife and cut this guy's back and whatever. And I was really taken by that because the advancements for our normal listeners not maybe the physicians have been so Oh, monumental, and how you're treating patients? What are some of those things that you're now using to treat these patients that have really minimized and made it more a minimally invasive surgery?

Dr. Jeff Larson
It says a lot of it is in the approach, okay, the less destructive approach that I think the cannulas you're speaking of those were developed one morning, starting back in the early 2000s. I was drinking coffee in the morning, and I was making coffee and I had one of those gold Mr. Coffee filters that you put in and you pour the coffee engine, and I'm looking down that and I'm thinking, you know, in another version of this, I could treat the spine and on came this, this retractor system that allows the surgeon to get into the spine, through the muscles, splitting the fibers instead of peeling them off the bones, being able to do all the reconstructive work you need to do and that so the less destructive. The reason now for a less destructive approach is to have less complication, less blood loss, quicker recovery, recovery, you take that mentality and give it to a scientist and inventor, a creative neurosurgeon. Well, that's where cell Max comes in. This is where he now implanted another tool, regenerative medicine, these potent, little regenerative cells that can help that patient recover even faster, even more effectively. Well,

Greg Voisen
How is Cellmyx helping you in your clinical practice there? In other words, you've got the cell mix and tele fat VOD kit says cannulas in it. It's got everything in it in the kit they need, could you describe kind of the product, what kind of procedures you're using in regenerative and this pain management area with the first cell x

Dr. Jeff Larson
Maybe for the viewers, let's talk about what the cells were speaking of are, you've everybody's probably heard of stem cells and that sort of a phrase that's been applied to almost anything that can be unfortunately, anything that can be injected. And that's where we get into confusion and that's where it's a buyer beware environment here, okay. In this country, that cells use of cells and human tissues are regulated by the FDA. and EU, there are strict rules about this, they need to be autologous. They need to be from you. They need to be taken from you and minimally manipulated, they can't be enhanced, they can't be they have to be remained in the form they were they have to be mentally with minimal manipulation be converted to something that can be delivered back to you and that needs to be delivered. Hemangioma does homogenously in like form, and also on the same day. So the cells can come from, from bone marrow, they can come from fat, they can come from blood, as it turns out, as you age, one thing gets bet your fat, and that the creative minds at cell mix have put together a package that allows surgeons clinicians like myself, to follow all those FDA rules and harvest from the patient in a minimally invasive way. These adipose cells, these adipose tissue, this fat, which isn't only fat, it's all these other things that are in this cocktail of biology, which include parasites and exosomes and proteins, all these things that are kind of like the, the mother's milk instead of the baby formula in enhancing your biologic response in your body to let it heal. So what I've done now is I've taken let's take a diskectomy, a guy comes in, and this is a here's a success story for this technique. Guy comes in with a herniated disc, the cartilage that cushions the spine herniated and it's compressing the nerve, and he's absolutely put out by this and many of you have had this problem and know what I'm talking about. So so in that case, you know, you try, we try to treat that non operatively. We work with physical therapists with chiropractors, massage therapists, but just exercise and rest and some medications and such but we want to get back to production. Without question we want to performance based results when that doesn't work. And surgery is in the forefront. We want to do a minimally invasive way. So Greg, you've spoken of these little cannulas now. Instead of making a big opening, it's all outpatient. It's through a small little tube, still with a microscope with the with the usual neurosurgical microsurgical tools and remove that little fragment of this that's compressing the nerve. But rather than just leaving that setting, what I'm doing now is I'm taking this potent biologic injection that contains all of the cells and I'm injecting it into the disk space at the time of surgery. It was just I can tell you this This I mean, the success rate has been high. And what was even better is the failure rate is zero. There's no complication. There's no risk to this because it's your stuff. It's yourself.

Greg Voisen
So let me get it right for the listeners just so they understand. You're doing the surgery minimally invasively, then you're using the cell mix intalling fat pod kit, and you're injecting those cells back in there so that there's a quicker healing is that do I have that right?

Dr. Jeff Larson
Yeah, listen to this, here's a here's, here's. So imagine this, I get a text a couple of weeks ago, I have a pretty, it. If when I take on a patient, that patient has decided to take responsibility for themselves, and they are part of the program. And I Go to Bat for them. And it's not often I mean, they often have my cell phone number, they might have it because we're gonna they won't abuse it. They know not to, but, but we stay in touch. We stay on things. This gentleman texted me and here was a text doc, I can't thank you enough. We came in second place in the shootout. Now what that mean, this was six days, six weeks, and one day after a surgery, surgery in the back where I took out a herniated disc, and backfill that disc with the biologic injection. And so what that means is he played four rounds of golf, did well enough to make it make it to the shootout, isn't it? I mean, he played a lot of golf before this, right? Yeah. Then he played the two at the six week mark. He's playing in a tournament four rounds a shootout and comes in second place. My response was, thanks for being thanks for being so compliant. No, but this is a new era. This is quicker recovery. And what happens is this autologous HOGHTON product that cell mix creates, you know, helps me great is yours is just, it's just put back in redelivered into an area that needs it. And your own body goes on to heal this. And I've got cases to where I don't do surgery, that instead of a front herniation that's causing an acute spine crisis, we're able to manage that crisis without surgery, but still treat the disc with the with the concoction and have a successful outcome.

Greg Voisen
Question for you, you know, a lot of your patients, I'm sure, and some of our listeners out there, obviously have various forms of insurance, when you go in for the back surgery, and it's been deemed that it's necessary. That's one thing. What's the situation with relation to the additional injection? Because some people out there might be asking right now it's like, okay, I have, you know, I literally, I know, Dr. Larson is going to do this and it'd be covered by Medicare, or it's going to be covered by my insurance. Do you find the insurance carriers looking at it as a full treatment? Or saying no, it's divided up? We're not going to pay for that segment?

Dr. Jeff Larson
Greg, this is our dilemma. Unfortunate dilemma. Traditional healthcare is not designed to optimize outcomes, right. Designed to optimize to limit financial risk. So I don't generally, you know, I when I see a patient, I contract with the patient, that means that a written contract I can't I don't I don't worry about the contract with the insurance companies anymore. Okay. Because it's it will get nowhere with that is the decline is the chaotic decline of what's happening. And to be a part of that system is, quite frankly, it's not it's not in my interest. Insurance companies. Some work comp, like injured worker programs, you know, they a lot of these is difficult as they can be to work with, they want to they want these patients back to performing. So they may they may authorize this.

Greg Voisen
Yeah, no, see, it's starting to go down that road, Jeff, in other words, you know, look, if, if you were to look at a spine surgery, the cost associated with full on spine surgery versus using something like intelli fat would be quite a bit less write, and especially if it got rid of the problem, you know, and you know, you're saying you're using this successfully, and I love the success story. It's always great to tell stories about clients are out playing golf six weeks later, especially after a surgery. What are some of the specific cases or conditions that you've found that the intelli fat pod kit can be purchased, where it can be particularly effective? And I know you've been having and I always hate to throw up percentages, but it's about an 80% success rate with this, right? Somewhere in that range

Dr. Jeff Larson
somewhere 70 to 90% success rate, I'd say. Some, some cases are more effective than others. If somebody comes in with a degenerative disc Skin about a deteriorated disc. I mean, there's, in the current situation of how I'm treating these, I don't want to I don't want the patient to, to throw unnecessary dollars at something that doesn't have a high likelihood of work. Okay? Surgery is not always the case. But sometimes surgery is the case. So there's sometimes right, where I opt for putting in an artificial disc, or doing a minimally invasive fusion or something to restore that disc. If it's so far gone, okay. It used to be I've been using stem cells from bone marrow since, Gosh, 2000. I mean, when shortly after I got out of my residency. The problem is, as you age, your bone marrow quality goes down with the with the identification that these adipose based cells can act phenotypically and immunologically, just like stem cells? Well, as you age, there's one thing that comes with you, unfortunately, and that's fat. And so that's what and what's great about the cell max product, the kit, and what didn't, one of the things that differentiates it from some of the others I've used, is the, I think the detail that goes into both ends of it, there's a harvesting part of it, right, and a preparation and delivery part of it now, before let me tell you, I'm pretty strict and critical about what I use. And I remember the day I did a surprise visit to sell MCs they'd never heard of me, I've never, you know, they didn't know I was watching them. But I was interested in I was in the area. So I sent the CEO an email saying, what are you doing this morning, I'd like to join you for coffee and see what you're selling. I heard. Yeah, he said so and I went and I watched them. And quite frankly, they walk the walk. There's, there's a process to this i There's a process to preparing to taking your cells and tissue and convert it, converting it safely into something that is effective. And one of the things about selling this product that is easy to use. If the kit is self-contained, it's very easy to use. The the the the detail that goes into the cannulas from which we do the liposuction. Yes, I don’t let liposuction scare you away. It's a very it's an it's an outpatient procedure done in my office, it's very soft. It's not a bothersome deal. You put your headphones in and listen to a podcast and 30 minutes later, I've got these, this solution that you've heard a lot of, and quite frankly, as far as I know, is the largest, most abundant amount of cells created by one of these FDA approved minimal disruption kits.

Greg Voisen
Yes, it is. That we I love that we

Dr. Jeff Larson
I use it now. Now I look Neurosurgeon. This type of Cellular Medicine works virtually in any part of the body. Shoulders, fabulous. Absolutely fabulous for shoulders, knees, hips, you know, often like when I'm doing this often patients sometimes you get more than you might need for the the treatment that the patient is there for so many occasions, I may do the knee or the back and the knee.

Greg Voisen
Now, how much do you harvest when you are harvesting it?

Dr. Jeff Larson
You can decide? Yeah, I'd say for a low back, I usually have four to six CCS and a disk base, and one cc and each of the facade joints. So you get about eight CCS for the knee. It's somewhere around six CCS shoulder, usually something like eight CC's. Some of the cosmetic procedures which require more or less, you can use this for some very popular for cosmetic procedures.

Greg Voisen
Well, it's interesting. I think the listeners who are in the general public need realizes they're harvesting it, what do you just said, you put your headphones on, harvests the fat and basically then he's filtering it. And then he's putting it in a syringe and then he's injecting it into these areas. And I think that's the minimally invasive part of this whole thing, which makes it so I want to call it less painful than anything else could be. Now, there is increasing interest in regenerative medicine and its potential in various medical fields. As you know, we're seeing more and more and more of it. How do you see the future of Neurosurgery and Spine surgery evolving especially with these tools like some exes and telephone pod kit? What? What's on the future for you as you kind of move your practice into the future and you look to see what Coming in, in your case, like you said, you're making the arrangement with the patient direct, regardless of what the insurance companies are doing. Not everybody can afford it. Right? And so that is part of the issue. But for those that can, can you tell us what you're kind of seeing in the future and where we're headed?

Dr. Jeff Larson
Yeah, I tell you, there's a as long as this does not get abused, okay, as long as it's not mis represented, Miss marketed and doesn't disappear because of, it'd become too confusing for the patients because it's out if you're if you're on social media right now, there's so many, so many options. So you really have to do your homework, do your research patients, public, you have to really, really, like I said, be your own CEO look after this to not even your doctor isn't going to necessarily he may be, you know, doing what he, he or she is trained to do, but that is not necessarily what's in your best interest. Okay, so my eyes have been open to regenerative medicine since the late 90s. I've been using mesenchymal stem cells in a spinal fusion cases. Since then, mesenchymal stem cells or the cell lines, there's nothing there's no, when you're talking about adipose derived stem cells, or mesenchymal stem cells, you're not getting into any ethical dilemma. These are not these are from the patient. They are from their, their autologous and mizenko. Stem cells generally have do great and converting to bone and things like that. The adipose Bay cells are seem to have more ability to differentiate into the soft tissues, the cartilage is the some of the some of the more cushioning things to the aging spine and joints. Whether it's just repairing what I've done it surgery or preventing surgery, it's been a growing part of my practice, without question. And what I'm finding Greg is that worse, you know, even though I've prided myself and doing the least invasive surgery possible to get the maximum outcome for patients, now we're in a situation where I have this ability, with proper diagnosis and proper delivery and proper harvesting and preparation of the product, which is where cell Max comes in. You can even skirt surgery, so the future is bright. The future is going to be one that is going to be easier for the patient that is going through one of these spine crises or orthopedic crises.

Greg Voisen
And your estimation knowing what you know about this basically harvesting the fat cleansing that transfer adipose and BEX re-injecting in a patient. Once you do that, and a patient's reported back to you a successful outcome. How long would you expect that basically to last? And other words to is it? Is it indefinite? Do you see it as like a three year kind of treatment? Is it something where they may have to come back and get another treatment, but it has prevented them from having major surgery?

Dr. Jeff Larson
Well, I'll tell you, when you get when you do an injection like this, what's going to happen is there's going to be an immediate lidocaine effect. So for example, you might leave that procedure and feel pretty good, because you're the area's been numbed, right? It takes it takes some time for this to work, there needs to be an inflammatory response that happens, because So first, you may have a little downtime, three days of swollen knee three days of swelling back where you feel like you've gotten worse, but then it starts to kick in. And what I'm hearing from my patients is usually at about the three week mark, they've gotten to their baseline, and then from there till the six week mark, we start to see an increase. And I've been following them as if they're surgical patients. They've been doing the same kind of come in at six weeks come in at 12 weeks. Or we can do now tele mid, often they come from distant places are we going to tell her medicine visits, but because you don't know that you need to generally you don't repeat the procedure in your procedure. You might enhance it, you may do something like a if let's say they've at six, six months, they've gotten to a little plateau and want to boost you could do something like PRP into that area to try to stimulate that process to keep going. The cells are in there. They're doing their thing. They can be turned out a little more.

Greg Voisen
With your patience, what you've experienced in these success stories? is most of them, like the gentleman you related with playing golf after, what was it six weeks? Yeah, he said, Yeah. And won the tournament two is, well, I'm sure you've got lots of success stories like that, do you have any others that might be worth relaying to our listeners, so they can, you know, hear what's wrong with this,

Dr. Jeff Larson
I can tell you that. I patient, a woman with a shoulder injury, shoulder out, shoulder out, was going to put off a was worried she was gonna have to shoulder surgery, she heard that I was doing these stem cell work. And she came to my office to talk to me about it. And she was going to put off a trip she had planned with her family to go to Europe. And because the surgery was going to put her out of that, and you know, I examined her and looked at the imaging and there was nothing dangerous about what was going on. And what a perfect setting to give us a chance. And, and, you know, the postcard from Europe was very nice. It was quite nice. And really, I'll tell you, this is I'm not an orthopedic surgeon. But as I said Cellular Medicine, the same principles can be applied to any joint and some parts of the spine are like a joint. I've had, I've seen patients out of my fields for shoulders or knees that have been told by their orthopedic surgeon, you know, call me when you're ready to have the total knee or the total shoulder. And we've, we've, we've, we have reverse that process. So

Greg Voisen
So you're basically gotten patients from other doctors who wouldn't do what you're doing. And they came to you and you did a minimally invasive procedure and help them out tremendously. Is that what you're saying? Right? That's correct. Yeah. So for the listeners out there who are considering a procedure or are currently facing some type of procedure, or neurological issue, what advice or considerations would you have, when exploring treatment options? You talked about, that you pride yourself? And how you approach the diagnosis? Right? And I think that is that is a key here, you know, I mean, you've spent a long time with the patient, or at least the amount of time necessary to get the right diagnosis before doing anything. What should they be considering when doing this? If they're out there in podcast land right now listening does and who knows? Maybe they're on the other side of the country, the other side of the world right now, because we have listeners from everywhere. What would you advise them,

Dr. Jeff Larson
you need to what you want to optimize your health. So look, take a look at yourself first to make sure that you're in the best condition you can be to do this, and I tell my, my friends, my family, my mom, the same thing, when you go to the doctor's office, try to be as educated as you can, because that's your time to ask questions, that's your, that's where you can do this. If the, if the doctor doesn't have time to listen to you, or is just set on their way, that's probably not the best situation for you. Unless, you know, you need that procedure. And that surgeon that doctor is, you know, the so called Best that that procedure in your area. But first get a an accurate diagnosis and be confident that you have that you can test that you can just add, I don't know how to coach you on to, to, you just have to feel that, that you have the proper diagnosis. And of course, you're gonna have to trust that that's the case you're gonna have to really

Greg Voisen
well, it sounds like the people that came to you came under a second opinion. You know, the first doctor said, hey, come back, come back, when you're ready to get this full knee

Dr. Jeff Larson
more, more and more. I still get that sometimes I honestly there's a time slot where I'll get you know, Joe Public walks in the office and how you doing and it turns out that he has like the he or she have the ideal case for something like the Intel a fat or, and I'll say what led you here. And it was it can be something as and I love this one. It's like, you know, I was going to see Dr. X but his waiting list was so far out there. I could just get into you and like really and I'm just thinking in the back I don't say anything I just go with it and just lucky guy but he's you know, more and more, more and more. It's, it's second opinion is patients that are the public is getting more aware. Yeah, they come they're showing up and more and more. It's a patient that has a surgery scheduled for, you know, a few weeks from now or heard this or wants to hear that and look I do a lot of surgeries. I'm very, very skilled in this, I'm in a sweet spot in this, I've, as you said, develop some of the techniques, I practice them and, and, you know, talk about 10,000 hours to becoming an expert in something, how about 10,000 cases, you know, something where I'm on the other side of that curve, but I welcome and embrace these competitive technologies. And they work this one works that all of them do this one does.

Greg Voisen
Well, you know, like you mentioned, tick tock, we looked, we looked at Instagram, Facebook, and you're out there, I mean, you've got your postings, many of these places, and as you said, the general consumer listening today, can go around and do a lot of research on Google and find these things. And for the listeners listening today, you're gonna want to go to go to C D, A, S P i, n e.com. That's where you're going to find more information about Dr. Larson. You obviously can google him. And when you google him, you're going to come up with five or six different pages for him. He certainly is one of the premier physicians doing this kind of work. And if you are looking for a second opinion, I would highly recommend that you call his office like he just said, he actually just said this. In his interview, he gives out his cell phone to some of his patients. That's really kind of unusual. Now, it's not abusive. I'm not saying he's gonna give all of our listeners his cell phone. But he,

Dr. Jeff Larson
I haven't had to block anybody they know, you know, you don't take offense by block use just that you kind of so called Buck call.

Greg Voisen
Exactly, exactly. But so look, we know that the Intel of fat is working for you. We know you're working with other procedures as well. How would you want to leave this for both the physicians that might be listening today, and or the general public today who is considering a second opinion or even at first opinion, as far as that goes on a back or neck or spine surgery that they think they might need as a result of chronic pain, which has been going on for years. And they've had that MRI, and I'm going to tee this up? That says, Hey, Dr. Larson, the MRI says, you know, between vertebra five and six, here's the degenerative disc. What would you tell him? How would you sum all that up?

Dr. Jeff Larson
Let me let me go through that. And the list here for the physicians out there. Okay. Don't the, this is not investigational necessarily Is it is it is it's a what we're doing here is taking we're trying to harness your patients cells, formula, regenerative cocktail, if you will, and applying it back to that same patient, to give them a chance to heal what is broken. It doesn't seem like what we're doing what you're doing, as a surgeon, what I'm doing as a surgeon isn't always working. And it is not for everybody. Okay. There's also those cases where you need surgery. And what I'm what I'd like to share with you is that this, this enhances the recovery. For the patients out there, I want you to be careful, there's really buyer beware because there are rules to this, if you're going to an office and you're being given something that's been pulled out of a drawer or refrigerator, or, or isn't yours wasn't taken from you processed the same day and delivered back to you in the same day. If the FDA had enough manpower, that place would be closed down inside the US that is not allowed. And I'm not saying that that what's being delivered is a bad product, this is that we have to follow the rules of administration in this because they are laws that are rules and human cells and tissue so let's, let's stick to what we're allowed to do and stay in our lane on that. Don't be afraid of having surgery if you really need it. Because it can change your life. It's gonna be the most positive thing you've ever done. And certainly if you can avoid it and live full, I don't want you to live 50% And be fighting it that's not what we're trying to get you

Greg Voisen
to be disabled as a result. You do not want to be disabled.

Dr. Jeff Larson
You don't want to be weighed you want to be well now to enjoy where you are in life. Be present Be Where Your Feet are.

Greg Voisen
Well, you know you have literally in the last 45 minutes giving our given our listeners a lot to think about. You've also got highlighted a product, which this is the Intel a fat VOD from cell mix. And I want to thank you for doing that. Because the reality is more and more people need to know about how you're using it, but also about how other physicians might be able to use the same kit to help their patients in the way in which you're doing it. And I want to thank you for being on inside personal growth, highlighting what it is that you do, highlighting some of the success cases that you've had the shoulder from the lady in Europe was great. The gentleman playing golf, and I'm sure you've got plenty of others. To wrap anything else up here, as we end the show? Is there anything you'd like to say to kind of sum things up?

Dr. Jeff Larson
Well, I think in summary, you know, if you are interested in pursuing this kind of treatment for your condition, you're going to have to look for it. And then once you find it, research it a little bit. And I love to say I'm open to, you know, you can consult with me, and this is what this is all about. But there, there are others, maybe some mix might even have a list of providers who they know in your area. But, again, take control of this, you have responsibility for this patient, because you the system, again, isn't designed necessarily to optimize your outcome, you know that that there's a, especially if you're in the insurance world, it's there. They're simply designed to minimize their financial risk period. And you don't want to be a part of that as far as my own ability to stamina to stay in this game. This is what I'm built for. I started this way as a University of Michigan student athlete and then got trained by a phenomenal mentor, John two in Cincinnati, and I see no end in sight, this future is very strong, I plan to be in front of it, staying with it, and really, really thankful to have others in industry. Like the guys and gals, it's Sal max to provide things for me that can make my patients lives better. Well, for all

Greg Voisen
the listeners, both physician or the general public who've listened to this podcast up to this point, we appreciate you taking the time, we always appreciate that we always love putting new things out. That are I'm going to call them bleeding edge cutting edge, which would be this and revolutionary. And for more information about Dr. Larson again, I'm going to repeat it C D, a SBI and e.com. There, you can learn more. There's videos, there's educational content, minimally invasive surgery. He has a really beautiful website that really kind of tells what he does and how he approaches this. So Dr. Larson, thanks so much for being on insight, personal growth and sharing your perspectives on where this is ongoing treatment of pain, regenerative medicine, and spine surgery. Thanks so much.

Dr. Jeff Larson
Thank you very much and good luck, everybody. Take care.

Greg Voisen
Thank you.