Greg Voisen
Welcome back to Inside Personal Growth. This is Greg Voisen the host of Inside Personal Growth. And we have Dr. Lance Secretan joining us and he is no stranger to Inside Personal Growth. He's been on the show many times for well, it says he's done 24 books. I think it's actually been more than that. But at least his bio says 24. Good day, Dr. Lance, how are you, my friend?

Lance Secretan
Thank you. Thanks for inviting me.

Greg Voisen
Well, it's good to have you back on again. And speaking about another new, fascinating book. For all of you who are joining us on video, you can actually see on his screen, awakening the human spirit. It's in the upper left hand corner of his video. We do not have a book here in studio. Lance, do you have a book close by that you can go like this with?

Lance Secretan
Yeah,

Greg Voisen
There we go. There's the new book. That's it. You know. So everybody who is interested, we'll put a link to Amazon Lance has just basically shown you a copy of the book. And I would say definitely go out and get it. And we'll let the listeners know. Something about Lance, for all those of you who are in corporate America listening to this show, and you're like, who is this guy? We don't know who he is. And believe it or not, Lance, it's the speed of you and I in our current ages, there might be some people out there that don't know who we are.

Lance Secretan
Well, I've been around. Most of them have been a lot.

Greg Voisen
Exactly. So Dr. land sector. 10 is a spiritual thought leader, the world's top authority on inspirational leadership, a trailblazing teacher, advisor and an expert on corporate culture, whose bestselling books, inspirational talks, and life changing retreats have touched the hearts and minds of hundreds of 1000s of people worldwide. As it says in his bio, he's the author of 24 books about leadership, inspiration, corporate culture and entrepreneurship as well as award winning memoir, a love story. And he is the author of dozens more his latest book, The one we're speaking about today, reawakening the human spirit. Lance is a riveting speaker, I've actually seen him and I was in New Mexico, the first time that I saw him. I've actually been to his house in the outskirts of Toronto doing a retreat. And he's just a fascinating guy. He's a former CEO of fortune 100, company, university professor, award winning calmness, poet, author, outdoor athlete, he teaches coaches and advisors globally. And he's in the top 30 Most Influential executive coaches, and the top 30 Most Influential leadership experts. So and it goes on, but he is a true soul who's interested in helping people. And this shows about personal growth, their own personal growth and transformation. And that's what this latest book is, is about. And all of us know that in corporate America, let's face it, there is issues with today, Lance, what we would say, stress, okay, and the stresses are coming, whether self-induced or not, they're there. And corporate America is trying to deal with him. What would you say in the main theme of this book, would be about helping people deal with and coping with not only their personalized, but working in a very stressful corporate life?

Lance Secretan
Well, it's interesting, you raised the subject of stress, because in the early part of the book, I make the point that stress is a choice. Stress isn't something that happens to us, we choose this. If I'm driving on the highway, somebody cuts me off in the traffic. I can have a choice and get mad and shake my fist and flip the bird and be angry and make sure Yeah, make sure that person knows how stupid I think he is. But all that does is put me in stress. Or I can wait and say Have a nice day. I'm really grateful for the life I have. Move on. That's a choice.

Greg Voisen
I agree that stress is a choice. And the key is to be able to take a deep breath and reframe where you are and you are a great meditator. You are somebody who's into mindfulness but You're saying and I wouldn't say you argue, but that we artificially separate home and work. And lots of other things too. And that this book is about people, human beings, not titles. Okay. in corporate America, we still are using titles people are, you know, it's like is EVP and sales? Is he the CEO? Is she the head of HR? You say you go on to explain that we're simply people in different scenarios and our values, behaviors and spiritual quotes should be consistent all aspects of our lives. I get that. Okay. How do you help people in this world make that transition? And what is meant by the spark, the flame and the torch?

Lance Secretan
Questions? Well, let me just start by saying, Well, there's

Greg Voisen
one question core to it, which I'll say, is this separation between home and work? Um, you made it very clear to me that it should be one. And I go back to the day of going to conferences, which you were at many of those. And it was called spirituality in the workplace. By the Galva. It's now down in what is her name, she started working for the Sam Walton in the Walmart university area down there. And my point was way back, then, and I'm saying 30 years ago, we were talking about spirituality in the workplace. Right, let's talk about this separation between work and home.

Lance Secretan
Well, listen, I mean, the reality is, especially as we're seeing this, with the work from home phenomenon, and so on, what happened during COVID Is that the creation of a separate existence called work is artificial. Yep, no, this. The first time we ever use the word work, was in the 1600s. We didn't have a place to go to work. There was nowhere to go to if you were a blacksmith, it was in the back of your house. So you know, what if you're hungry when I've got to do it, so you didn't go to the supermarket? There's nobody to go to work. So we invented the word when we started building factories. And when we started building offices, and so we've been using work now for, shall we say, 500 years. But then COVID happened. And look what happened, we went back to where we were 500 years ago, working from home, again, this is natural, we should understand that. That's one thing. The second thing is this. We treat business as a separate entity. We have language that's unique to business, we only talk certain jargon and so on in business, we do things in business that we would never do anywhere else. We destroy the competition, you wouldn't do that at home. We have performance appraisals, you wouldn't do that at home, would you have a performance appraisal with your spouse by Monday, it's that time of year we're gonna have a little conversation about your budget and your 360 and KPIs and so on. You get thrown out as part of conversation like that, because it's demeaning, disrespectful, and, frankly, useless. So that's the whole package of things around what we're doing at work and how we're messing it up is one issue, but a bigger issue than that, is that the world is hurting right now. All around so we've got so many things happening. That feels so heavy for so many people Ukraine COVID polarization climate change, inflation, job loss, you name it, I mean, it's just endless and I can't fix these things none of us can fix them. I can't fix you there's nothing I can do about that.

Greg Voisen
You know, your book argues that we artificially separating home and work. And lots of other things you say to that we're separating. This is a very divisive world that we live in now that you were just speaking about. And this book is about people, human beings, not titles. It's a bit goes on to explain that we're simply people in different scenarios, and our values and behaviors and spiritual calls should be consistent. Speak with us about that, because we're not different people at work than we are at home. We're supposed to be the same people. Although we're expected to be different work than we are at home. Yet. How does that work for people? Because you're saying, if today, you asked a population over 80% of them? If they could, they would actually quit their job today, if they had a free choice to do so. And that's pretty alarming statistic, if it's truly 80% that are saying, I don't really want to be here. I'm disengaged. Anyway. That's a tough thing for corporate America.

Lance Secretan
I've asked that question hundreds of times of larger audiences, every single time I've asked it, it's been 80% or more. Yeah, so I think that's a proven fact is, there's a lot of people that if they had a free choice, they would quit. I mean, you don't want to be cleaning toilets all day long. That's not your dream. So you know, lots of people doing things I didn't want to do. Look, I can go down the bottom of my driveway and walk the stranger and hug them and tell them I love them. No problem, they might look at me a little weird, but no problem. If I do that at work, I'm probably going to be taken to the human resource department for a little bit of correction, and behavior training. What's with that I'm a human being, why can I say I love people that I work with their people to what's not with us? Where do we build this? And, frankly, the answer and without going into too much depth. But in an earlier book I wrote called the bellwether effect that you're familiar with, I showed that most of what we do there came from the military, because we didn't know how to run companies. And so we turned to the military and said, what are they doing in leadership? How do they find pilots that die in the war? That was called a performance appraisal? What is a battleship strategy? That's called the mission? Well, you know, we've got those things in business. Now. That's what happened. So now we need to say, wait a minute, it's not war. It's not the military. This is just people in different places. We need to inspire them. That's the other key, not leadership, inspiration.

Greg Voisen
And Lance is speaking about that Bellwether effect, you know, why is it that we have a tendency as a species, to wait to the last minute to change anything, and almost has to get to this? You know, disasters? Space? Space? I've had social scientists on here that talk about it. You mentioned a minute ago, we're concerned about Putin, there isn't anything you could do about it. We're concerned about the changing weather patterns in co2 emissions and global warming, are environmental overall, generally, yet, we have a tendency as a species, to wait till it's almost the last minute to try and do something you're trying to tell corporations or inform them? Why are you waiting so long to change this culture so that you would allow something like this to occur yet? This? This meme is there? It's, it exists, right? It's very strong.

Lance Secretan
Right. And we're going to see the collapse of the contract between employees and employers, because employees as you perceive many of the statistics, now they're in charge, and they're going to call the shots. Jen, Generation Z, for example, wants nothing to do with corporate world. And that's, that's tragic. If you get to that place, capitalism is at risk. So we need to think this through carefully. And let me just make this point, right. Why are we dragging people back to the office? And the answer is not because it's efficient, or it builds teams or it's good for the culture, because frankly, we can do that on the internet, too. That's not I mean, yes, of course, human presence is important. But it's not the only way to do this. The reason we're doing this is because people are saying, I've got a fancy flashy office, I've got a big overhead. I need to fill it up with people get your ass over here. That's the wrong reason. That's the wrong reason. We should be saying, right. This is a job that needs to be done here. My job is to figure out what's the best way for you to do that? What would work for you? Well, so

Greg Voisen
How do you develop it? are people out there listening that are in the corporate world? And they're saying, hey, I really appreciate what Lance is saying, but I don't know how to bridge it. How do you build these heartfelt leadership kind of models this this this from traditional models to heartfelt leadership, right. And I know that the torch, I'm sorry that the spark, the flame and the torch have been something you've been carrying around for many, many, many years. And it also is back on the front cover of this book on a subtitle right underneath human spirit. And I think people need to understand that and they maybe don't understand that about you. You've been teaching in corporations for many years. With this is a big kind of turn for you as well. It is.

Lance Secretan
Absolutely, because we have turned I'm trying to keep pace with what's going on in our society. And I think corporate leaders haven't caught up yet. They will. Because when you run out of people, you're gonna have to figure out what you're gonna do about that. Right. But here's his thing. That's, that's failed. I think leadership has failed. Because we spend $170 billion a year on leadership development. We've got 240,000 books on Amazon about leadership, you've got every university program in the country teaching leadership course. And you can't find solid leadership anywhere. Right? Now in Washington, not in corporate America, not in the police, Roman Catholic Church. Health care doesn't matter where you look, it's a mess. So why wouldn't keep doing that? And the answer is that underpinning all of that leadership theory is motivation. Motivation is a fear based system. Yes. That's what we saw with COVID.

Greg Voisen
Not inspiration, motivation.

Lance Secretan
Correct. And an inspiration is a love based system. So what we're actually needing Greg, everywhere, not just at work everywhere, is inspiration. You inspire me, I'll do anything I want. When I pick up a rose and smell it is because I'm inspired by the rose by going go to an Eric Clapton concert. It's because Eric Clapton inspires me. And if he doesn't inspire me anymore, I'm on I'm gone. We fall in love with people who inspire us, we got to work with companies and inspires. And when they stop inspiring us, it's over. So what do we need to learn, and we are very bad at this. We need to learn how to inspire each other. Well,

Greg Voisen
this whole soulful organization concept has been talked about, I'm not certain that it's been ingrained, so much about I remember going to trainings with Richard Barrett and with you and all kinds of people where we were talking about the soul of a business, right? And can you explain what's kind of meant by that? And describe what it means the benefits to the corporate leaders that are listening to us today, of becoming more of a soulful organization versus them going with command and control, which was, as you just said, oh, I'm, I'm demanding you now come back three days a week. Okay, and you're saying, So what really? Is that good? It's gonna do, it's because I'm paying heavy rent on this building, and I need to fill it up again, right? And you need to be here because I want you to be accountable to us, because you're not accountable if you're sitting at home. Right?

Lance Secretan
I don't trust you. In other words, right, right. Yeah. And accountability is one of those words that I was referring to earlier that we use in the workplace that we wouldn't use elsewhere. Right? I wouldn't, I would never say to my spouse, I'm going to hold you accountable for doing that. Right? She threw me out. Right? Why? Why would I take that risk? And yet, I do it every day at work, why but if we're gonna

Greg Voisen
if we're gonna liberate, pardon me for abusing liberate the corporate soul, which is Richards kind of, quote, unquote, thing. And you look at the model, you know, you look at the hierarchy. You know, when you look at all these models that are built there around, you know, getting our basic needs met? Well, we you and I know this, that there isn't much different in somebody's life, whether they're making 50,000 or 100,000, right? Because it's really meaning and purpose in one's life. That brings more fulfillment, that brings more joy. And you're saying none of these people that are there are getting the meaning and fulfillment that they want in that structure that they're in, which is why 80% of them would walk out the door tomorrow. If they had a choice?

Lance Secretan
Well, I just because it's his words and talk, not actions, right. To pick on one example, and you may disagree with me here but last year, the CEO of Google made $226 million. This one person has a quarter last quarter of a billion dollars in case that sort of thing where you'd buy a fighter plane or something, but something like that, right, right. And the same time 20,000 People lost their jobs. Okay, what signal does this say? And now you talk about the family and the soul of the business, wait a minute, this is not computing, right? This is what's wrong, we've got to behave in a way that sends the same message, the way I describe this as the message, and the messenger need to be the same.

Greg Voisen
I don't know if equanimity is the right term that I could say that but the equal illness, right? We're all human beings together. You know, if you were in a very stressful situation, and you're going to help your fellow man, you wouldn't care if they had a million dollars or $50. Right. And I think that's where you're getting to, is, you know, I saw something last night about the kindness project, you know, go around and be kind, you know, just help people out during the day, just, you know, play it play that role. I think most of us would be kind. Many of us might be selfish, but you would like to think that most people would be kind, right? In your case, if you're going to build a soul, based on conscious capitalism, because you just said something a minute ago about capitalism that it's in. It's basically it. It's in parallel. Yeah, that the way in which we're operating today, I think there'd be many that would disagree with you, but I don't disagree with you. But when you take values and mission and my purpose, and you say, I'm going to be a soulful corporation, what does that feel like? For somebody out there who's listening today in HR or a CEO position? They're saying, well, I love everything you're saying, but I don't really know how to get there.

Lance Secretan
Well, one of the things is that it's going to take time, you asked a very good question, earlier wishes, you know what, what with human beings that we wait to the last minute, you might want to ask the Senate Majority Leader and leader of Congress, why they're about to tank the economy, leaving it to the very, very last minute, you know, that's a good question. We keep doing this? Well, the answer is, as you can see from that example, politics is another example of like climate change. It's about self-interest. It's not about the long term. So if we hook up a CEO and executive team to something like a $226 million payout, if you get the profits, right, then all these other things we're talking about are irrelevant, because the only criteria is how much money we're making. Right? And I'm not, I'm not saying money is a bad thing, because it is the capitalist system. And I'm part of that, and I'm all for it. But I think we need to get this thing a little straighter, because I don't know about you, but I don't want to be fired by a man through email that I don't even hear about one to one who just got himself a $226 million paycheck.

Greg Voisen
Yeah, it. It is a dichotomy that exists in this world today about trying to do that. And you can see this fabric starting to fray. Yes, and so many different places in our world. And you said you suggested who we are impacts others and makes a difference in the world more than what we know. Okay, and you use the metaphor of Dalai Lama sitting silent in the room for 15 minutes and inspiring everyone. I've actually seen the Dalai Lama twice in person. And I have to admit, I've never seen a man so jolly as the Dalai Lama. And I was with I was just at the Richie Davidson, who's doing all the studies in Wisconsin, at the University of Wisconsin on, you know, Dalai Lama told him 30 years ago, you need to study not stress and anxiety, but compassion, and love and understanding, and it changed. Dr. Richie Davidson's whole life. I mean, his whole life now has been dedicated to this work. And you know, when you look at the Dalai Lama, and then sitting in a room for 15 minutes why is it in your estimation, that we feel so much more inspired by that energy than we do? Conversely, the energy on the other side where we actually are afraid Yeah, yeah, we feel more fearful in one We feel more present, and joyous and the other

Lance Secretan
loved is why I feel Yes, we feel frightened in the one situation motivation, and loved in the other inspiration to make this clear for people, motivation I described as lighting a fire under someone. Inspiration is lighting a fire within somebody, there's a big difference. We don't do inspiration. We do motivation, like if you hit your sales targets, I'm sending you one a package to Hawaii, that's motivation. If you buy a Corvette today, a big fancy $100,000 car, they won't let you sell that for six months. If you do, you lose your warranty, and you get penalized if you keep it for six months, they give you a $5,000 bonus. That's motivation. We use motivation everywhere in politics, in marketing, in advertising, in leadership, everywhere. It's fear based COVID. Perfect system. fear based systems. Yeah, we don't know how to inspire. And inspiration is about lifting the hearts of people. And if we can do that, we know how to do that. That'll change the world.

Greg Voisen
Well, you know, we talked about the subtitle of his book, and I've had many of your other books. And always the spark and the flame. Let's talk about the spark. Yes, because this is how you actually helped make these shifts is defining ones as you call it destiny, character and calling. And you call it the why be do right. Many listeners out there don't have a clue about your spark and your flame and any of that. And they certainly don't have anything I remember you gave us a little cards with the YB do. Right? So explain if you would, because this is the start of the process for what you now call and ultimately it gets into the castle. We'll get there the principles of the castle.

Lance Secretan
Right. Well, you know, the visible started when I started to research what great leaders did. I wanted to find out living and past leaders. What made them unique, because people were drawn to them. Look at Martin Luther King, for example, people flooded to him. Same thing for Christ. Same thing for Buddha. Same thing now, Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, these are all people that people gravitated towards. So there was a magnet there. People felt the passion. What was that? This is what I wanted to study? Well, I know that they had three things, they had a lot of other things, but three things that I really focused on. They knew why they were here. Now when I say that I don't mean I'm here to get my kids to college, and to retire and get on my pension and have a happy life in retirement. I don't mean that. I mean, in the end, when it's all over? Well, you made a difference. As Steve Jobs said, did you put a dent in the universe? So the question became, what was your impact? Did you make it better? You were here for 100 years? Did you do something that was useful? What do you do to sleepwalk through this? That's important. So Ghandi knew why he was here. Martin Luther King knew why they were here. Mother Teresa knew why they were here. That was that was the North Star that guided everything. You could not ship Gandhi from his belief and nonviolence, or Martin Luther King.

Greg Voisen
But don't you see any of those people that you're referencing, and I love the references to Mother Teresa and Gandhi and all these and Dalai Lama. But it's always an inverse relationship and the way in which leadership has worked for years, almost like Robert Greenleaf, right here to serve them or not to serve us. But if you look at Gandhi, it was always about him serving his constituents and all the people that were around him. When you look at Dalai Lama, it's about what can I do to help and serve? Right? But all along, it hasn't been in corporate America about what can I do to help and serve the people that work in here? It's been about what can they do to help and serve me so that stockholder value can go up?

Lance Secretan
That's the military model. You don't you don't serve people in the military either. You tell them what you need done and get it done. And if they send those stories, autocratic command and control, that's the military system. That's what we import it. And we haven't shaken it off. It's still there. We call it different things more fancy language and so on, but it's the same. That's one thing. I mean, I think the other thing is that we have, we are afraid of what it takes. It's not isolated. Right. I mean, think about Patagonia. Patagonia has got a long history of behaving properly as a company. Yeah. Sometimes you give up profits, because you're on a journey. So these leaders knew why they were here. The second thing they knew was their character, how they wanted to be while they're here. How do you want to be known What's your brand and what do you live for nonviolence was Gandhi's brand? Not enough King? Same thing? And what do you want to do? You have certain gifts and talents, high values, those who serve the world. And you know from the names I've mentioned, what they committed themselves to in terms of practice that didn't, that would, what they weren't consultants, or rock and roll stars or firefighters. They knew what they wanted to do. And they did it the way they wanted to do it. So why am I here? How am I going to be? What am I going to do? Why b do. And by the way, a little fun thing here. There's an app on the Android and Apple Stores. It's called Spirit at work cards. It's a book I wrote in 2002. But it's an app now. And you can shake the app and it shuffles the cards. If you want to be inspired, you'll find this app very inspiring. It's free. But there is an upgraded version in the upgrade version, where you shake a card, and you choose to be card, but to be card is the card you chose today. So if you choose courage, today, your job is to be more courageous. And then if you don't like that card, and you go and try and change it and says you can't change it today, you have to live this today. You're going to new car tomorrow. Well, let's

Greg Voisen
let's talk a little bit Lance about love. You know, in the flame section, a player relates to me to lop right. You read and reawakening the human spirit. You describe the castle. Now you've been using this castle for a long time, this isn't new to this book. But these principles, you point out that love people who embody the castle principle. Do you know anyone who embodies the six Castle principles, and that's what I want you to talk about is those six Castle principles. Because at the heart of it, at the heart of it, that's the essence of what we're talking about here is truly it's I love you, you love me. I remember and I don't know if I said this to you. But there's a brown that corner over there. There's a saying from the Dalai Lama. In the end, the only way you're going to be remembered is by the people you love the people that loved you and how much you let go. Right? And you say, well, that's so simple. But really, none of this has to be that complicated.

Lance Secretan
Well, let me tell you a little story. I was I was on a podcast the other day with Marianne Williamson. You know, it's funny. I was reminding I've known Marian for a long time. We're good friends, and

Greg Voisen
she wins. I hope somebody wins us some sanity.

Lance Secretan
Yeah, really. I reminded her that my wife and I went to visit her when she was living in Detroit. and I were having dinner and we skated a house and we're having dinner that evening. And I said, Marianne, I'm so excited. I got this new idea. It's called the castle principles is an acronym and it stands for just to dismiss, stop. Let me guess. C is the courage as for authenticity, SS for service tears, but truthfulness, ellisville love and ears for energy. And my mouth dropped. Like, I've never shared this with anybody. How did you know that? That's amazing. And she's like, well, you know, I know your work. So I can cheat a little bit better, I wouldn't expect you to talk about bombing or something, you know. But at the same time, what we've come up with is remarkable, because there's nothing to remember. That is crucial. You know, it's interesting that the seven habits of highly effective people is probably the most widely used most popular management book and coarse series ever in history. But who can remember them? Right? Most people can remember two or three, maybe account number seven. But the castle principles are sticky because every single one of those Castle principles we were born with, what we've done is forgotten. So we were always courageous. You know, babies are born courageous. They go swimming in toilets and jumping up to the kitchen counters and leaping off all kinds of things and doing all kinds of dangerous stuff. They don't have any fear. They learn fear. They're not born with it. Love is Love is the same what's more loving when the baby but that goes away? After you've been punished a few times and being banged up a few times you learn don't do that. That's not that doesn't pay off, and so on. We tell the truth. And then we get banged up for that. So we stopped telling the truth and we started lying. So this is how we lose it. So all I'm really asking people here is to remember what you've forgotten.

Greg Voisen
who you truly are. More Marianne Williamson got you right off the bat when she knew what all of those were. You know, I had one called the solace stick so you li Sdic and it was spirit optimism and unity love and you know, goes on but my point and truth. You're right. Those are descriptive words that go back to We are who we are, you know, but COVID did two things. First, you said it triggered us going back 500 years because back then we didn't even have a word for work. But it also did something else. And I want to talk about this because this is really, really, really important. isolation, depression, and loneliness of people, right. And we became divided because nobody wanted to get anyone else's germs. Fortunately, that's over now. But it's almost like, it's kind of hung on Lance. And it's been hard to like, and I don't say that it was ever Utopia anyway. But we've got this issue. Now, we got people that are sad, we got people that are depressed, we have corporations now that are dispensing through the medical facilities that they have their medical insurance with more antidepressants than ever have been used before in society. I'm working with a doctor that uses ace adverse childhood experiences, to try and get to the core level of some of these problems. What would you say? Because your book suggests that serving others is a way to remove depression. And I know I have my own nonprofit, I serve the homeless, and I serve the refugees from that are fleeing your Ukraine going to Poland? And I'm buying bicycles for the kids. Okay. But my and my point is, is that how do you help people really realize that giving service to others is a way to get out of the loneliness, and the sadness and the depression. And probably you'll eliminate taking all of those medications to JIRA.

Lance Secretan
And I, you know, the book opens up with a story like that, which is, your, your girlfriend just broke up with you. You're angry, you're mad, you're depressed. So I have a choice. You go home, you binge watch TV, eat Doritos, and pack package by package. Very claps, do a lot of drugs and towel in the world. That's one way of dealing with it. The other is to go out and paint your friend's bedroom wall. And watch what happens when he is great he or she is gratitude shows their gratitude and love in return for the gift you gave them. And notice how you feel as a result that builds you up. So to get over these things we need to and I don't mean to sound harsh when I say this, but we need to get out of our own heads. It's not about us. Yes, we may feel bad, and all kinds of stuff. We all go through things that don't work for us. I'm 84 years old, I've been through a lot of stuff. Right? Now, it's not hurting me. And I've learned from it, I've grown from it. But I'm not I'm not being I'm not depressed. I've never been depressed. But why? Because I serve all the time, my whole life is about serving as yours is. And so you can't be depressed when you're serving, because that's inspiring for other people. And when they're inspired, they inspire you. And this is a key point to by the way, Greg, because we are actually manipulators of each other's biochemistry. So what I'm actually doing with you what if we're, if I'm trying to be inspiring when I'm with you, I am changing the bio chemicals that flow through your body. If I if I introduce fear and motivation to you, I will produce a different set of cortisol, stress hormones, and so on. So, you know, versus oxy

Greg Voisen
toxin. And yes, I want to actually have released, you know, I mean, and it's interesting because of corporate America is looking for more creativity, more innovation, more flow as Stephen Covey calls it in the flow Genome Project. But yet to get to these levels of flow. We look at people who try and hack it. So now you're saying well, can I hack it with, you know, a little micro dose of LSD? Well, the reality is, you don't need it. As long as you're practicing these principles, as long as you understand these principles. You know, look, we love it. corporations want more innovation, they want more creativity, they want all this stuff. They're trying to get that out of the people that work for them. And, you know, I appreciate people that talk about hacking flow, using micro dosing using Ayahuasca using whatever. But again, if you've been practicing these principles and you embed them within your DNA, you don't need to have some kind of substance to do that. Speak with us about love. Because, you know, I will you and I go back to the days of Herb Kelleher handing out m&ms at Southwest Airlines ins because he truly was trying to create the was Luv, by the way, folks, for those of you don't really remember. But he was quite an inspiring guy. Yeah, absolutely. Right. And I think you say leadership. I don't see that many inspiring leaders anymore. Pardon me, but I don't. What I see is hammering leaders. Yeah. It's like they have two hammers. And they're on like,

Lance Secretan
right. Motivation, motivation.

Greg Voisen
Yeah. But I'm even saying leaders in in our, in our country, right. We're, and I'm not saying Mr. Biden is a bad leader. I'm I don't get me wrong, folks. What I'm saying is, we, as a society in North America, let me just let me preface that because that's where most of my listeners come from. We have seen some really strange changes. And I wouldn't call these leaders that we've had inspiring I call him disruptive. But not inspiring,

Lance Secretan
right? Well, you asked me about love. Let me before I do that slow, go back to the spark for a moment because I talked about the why we do. But there are two other pieces, two other pieces in the spark one is about creating a dream. And that's a problem for most people. We have lost our dream. America. America has lost his dream, right? I agree. Yeah, we had got a dream back. That would change everything. But if you have a dream, in the morning, you get up. Because you have a dream. Starbucks, as a company has a dream, not a mission statement, a dream, and it's to be the third place. That's their dream. Microsoft has a dream, the dream is to empower every individual and every organization to achieve more. That's how they've quadrupled their business since second Adela took over. And he's a soulful man. Now, a dream is really important because we fall in love with a dream. And that's inspiring. And we're looking here for ideas that help us to become more inspired. But if you amble through life with no dream, you have no rodder you have no compass, you don't know where you are going. So now back to love. So love is part of the castle principle, CIS G, L, E. So love is a word that we are afraid of, and don't use in the business setting.

Lance Secretan
But if I say to you, Greg, I love you. And I mean that I'm not just saying that perfect on a podcast. I mean, I love you. How do you feel? I feel comforted. You know, I think

Greg Voisen
love is something that brings warmth. You talk about the flame, you know, we're sitting around a fire. There's something that actually magically happens, you know, around a campfire, I've been around many of them in my day. And what really happens is kind of this openness under the stars,

Lance Secretan
to be vulnerable oneness, to talk to talk

Greg Voisen
to your fellow neighbor about something you might not actually talk about. And I think for us holding all of this may be pain or grief or hurt inside. Love is somebody that you feel comfortable enough to tell them your real story. Right. And so I feel thank you for loving me and likewise return and tenfold. I love you because I love what you're doing. I love the fact that you've written another book, nothing stops you, you're unstoppable. And you also are somebody who's wanting to make an impact. You know, not so much one to one, but one to many. You're saying hey, I want to get out here I've got a big dream. And my break dream is that we, you know, we shift the consciousness of corporations such that they're accepting a Have a new way of being. Right. So talk about if you would, and then we'll sum this up because we're getting close to the end of our interview here. The fourth part is the torch. And you put a methodology for coaching, leadership, mentoring, teaching. And really, it's about creating a legacy. Because that's, you know, what you've got to do. And you always talked about your values centered leadership. Speak a little bit about the torch. What results have you Are you experiencing? And what do you hope people will take away from reading reawakening the human spirit?

Lance Secretan
Now, before I go there, let me just finish a point about love. Okay, if you if you're always someone, Greg, that is challenging or difficult. You don't quite know how to handle them, because they're prickly and complicated. Before you say anything, just say this to yourself quietly without them, hearing it just yourself. I love you. Say it again, I love you. And then start your conversation that will change the tone of everything. simple technique. Alright, so there's a torch? Well, a torch is how we go out into the world. And what we do in the world that makes a difference, right? So yeah, we go out there. And we do we, our character in our legacy is how we will be known nothing else is left, the only thing that people will care about after you leave, is what you did while you were here, or like the Dalai Lama says, putting it another way, what your compassion and kindness and love was all about and whether people loved you and you loved others. Right? So that's the end. So what are we do a lot, we do three things. Mastery, chemistry and delivery, we do what we do, as well as we can now straight, we do things with other people. And with nature, that's chemistry, we have a connection, relationship. And then finally, delivery. With people, we identify the needs of others, and we need them. That's the only thing we do those three things, sum up everything in our lives. So now the question becomes, well, if we want to grow, what do we do? Well, we accelerate all of those, and there are accelerators for all of those. And there's a model in there and a coaching device, and so on in that in that reflection, as I call them. And so there's a whole pattern for how we go out into the world. And there's lots of ways of doing this. But the model I've shared here is a powerful way to do that. And indeed, a very powerful coaching model.

Greg Voisen
At the core essence, the lance for every corporate leader who's listening, or VP or HR person or whatever that's listening to this show. Not that they don't know or are unaware of what's going on, they're very aware. They're very aware. What would you tell them or inform them of that could help them transition quicker to a new or revived and your case or reawakened organization?

Lance Secretan
Thanks. One of the things I did when I was the CEO of manpower Limited was I warned shareholders that we could have some bumpy times, because some of the things we wanted to do would take time. And investing in them in the short term would make poor results on the bottom line, temporarily, because that was the investment in the future, but we need them to be okay with that not start selling the stock your day because it didn't do well. Because that's not our long term approach. The long as we do this 90 day thing where we better get the results on the bottom line every 90 days, we lose sight of everything else. So one of the things I think we have to do is sit down with shoulders and say, We need a new contract. And the contract is that we will have some bumpy times. Look what happened to Amazon. People kept buying Amazon stock when it was growing and never made any money. They lost money for years and years and years in the early days. And yet, you know, that's not a problem. They did well, why can't we do that in other organizations? That's one thing but the more important thing really is how we treat each other because the result of that and I've seen this over and over companies I've mentioned Starbucks, Microsoft, Kaiser Permanente, Humana, all kinds of clients that I've worked with over the years and look at the results. Look what happens when we love each other. The first thing I say to a company when they hire me as a consultant. First thing I say is, look how well you've done up to now. Very successful. Imagine what you could do if everybody was inspired?

Greg Voisen
Yeah, it is. And it's a choice. Yes. Like you said at the beginning of this interview style So was the choice, yes, you have a choice. And I think more importantly, if you're awake and aware and alive, you understand the issues to resolve those issues is all about your personal choice to take action, and your personal choice to be vulnerable and available to the people within your organization to actually create the movement, because that's what it's going to take in most companies is a complete movement to create the transformation. And while these words, just kind of like, dangle out there, believe me, they're very, very important. And reawakening the human spirit is more important to the survival of your company, than the next big sale you're going to make over here to somebody, because you won't have anybody to actually follow through on those sales, if you don't really start putting some attention into this, right. So Lance, an honor having you back in to talk about reawakening the human spirit, to speak about even some of the historic principles you've been teaching all together, but you've ingrained into this book, all into one. So instead of you buying 24 books now, you can just go back and you can get this one book. And I would encourage you to go to his website, right? So you can you know, just go to Lance sacristan.com. That's one

Lance Secretan
right, just sec return.

Greg Voisen
Secretary secretary.com. And we'll have a link to that. There. You can learn about his books, you can learn about his consulting, you can learn about what it is that Lance has been doing, as he said he doesn't look it but he's 83. He's been doing this a long time. And he also has associates and coaches out there. So no matter where you are in the country, Lance can help facilitate a transformation like this within your organization, through the people that have trained through his, through his programs, his leadership training program

Lance Secretan
all over the world, actually. Yep, yep.

Greg Voisen
So I would recommend highly recommend if any of this resonated with you in during our last 40 minutes of talking. Definitely reach out, go to second hand.com and you will learn more and pick up a copy of this book on Amazon. You'll learn more there as well get it in Kindle. You can get it in hardback, you can get it in paperback, right Lance, all three, audio and audio. So it's available in all three, four, including audio. Namaste to you, Lance. Thanks for everything. Thanks for being back on the show again and enlivening man inspiring me.

Lance Secretan
Well, thank you. The same for me and for millions of other people. So, Ross, yes. Okay. Well,

Greg Voisen
I It's been millions over the years. I hope they're all still listening.

Lance Secretan
Thank you. Bye.