Greg Voisen
Well, welcome back to Inside Personal Growth for another episode. I don't know which episode this will be. But joining me from the other side of the country, you're in Pennsylvania, correct? Correct. Yes, is Penny Zenker. And her book is called the reset mindset. And she was referred to me by Greg Reid, who's been on the show many times and is a friend of pennies. And if you get this easy-to-read book, look, it's only this thick. And it is an easy-to-read book. And it's a smaller book. And I find that Penny most people are so busy to do these are the kinds of books they're looking to read is the small ones that they can read on a plane, right? Absolutely.

Penny Zenker
Yeah, I even wanted to make it smaller. But you know, you need more time to make it even smaller.

Greg Voisen
Yes, you do you do. Well, I thank you for being on the show. And I'm going to let our listeners know a little bit about you because I always start off these shows, giving them a little bit of background Penny. She calls herself aka the focus. ologists is an international speaker, business strategy coach and one of America's leading experts in the psychology of productivity. She had a previous book called The Productivity zone, which was an Amazon instant bestseller. So congratulations on that. And so she decided to write another one. And so here we are. She's a leading expert, as I said and productivity, eliminating distractions, perfectionism and self sabotage to maximize results in every area of one's life and business. By the time she was 31, I found this really interesting. Penny founded, developed and sold her first multimillion dollar business in Zurich, Switzerland, I'm actually dealing with a company now called Stronger, they make bicycles electric bikes, and they're in Switzerland. Later she managed business units, turned around for a large marketing research company, and served as a Tony Robbins business coach. Tony used to be here in San Diego, I now know he's moved to Florida, helping entrepreneurs worldwide, double their businesses. As I said her first book, The Productivity zone, was an Amazon bestseller. And you can find her on TED talks as well. We'll have a link to that. The energy of thought, well, you've been around young lady, and you've got an opportunity to speak to 1000s of people. So people go to your website, which I'm going to mention that website so that they can do it. It is Penny z e n k e R three sixty.com. That's Penny, ze n k er three sixty.com. Go to that website, if you want to know more. Well, look, you wrote one book. First off, it was a great seller, everybody's interested in productivity. What What inspired you to write the reset mindset? And what key experiences in your life really led to you developing the concepts in this book?

Penny Zenker
We'll start with the first question. You know, what's interesting is it started out as a different book. So it started out where I was going to write a book that was called something it was going to be called something about living the 8020 rule. And and then as I started to dig in it and how I use the 8020 rule and what it is to me and looking at how I work with people and what my process has been, I realized that the 8020 rule is a reset practice. It's only one of many different practices that I use to help me to reset or to help a company or a business leader that I'm working with to to create that reset. So I, it like morphed into this, you know, different where it's really about the mindset and having a reset mindset and how we approach these different challenges or changes that we're facing and how do we it became what the reset mindset is today is about how we create more of a dynamic reassessment of mindset that makes us more dynamic. And so I kind of call it the next generation of the growth mindset. Because the growth mindset is about effort and persistence. and learning and growing. And we're we want that as well. But we don't have to put as much effort or persistence in if we dynamically reassess, we can learn faster, we do it real time, and we shorten the learning curve.

Greg Voisen
Well, and one of these is you mentioned in the book that this reset mindset, and I get this because, look, it's it's when people are trying to get focused and become more productive, you know, the whole flow thing is a big deal. You know, how do I get into this state of flow? What are the actual chemical releases in my body, if we really want to get to the mechanisms of it, the endorphins, endorphins in the oxytocin's, and the things that make me feel good. And it's almost like timelessness right. Now, you said that this reset mindset, was this, initially a coping mechanism for personal tragedy? How did this evolve into the broader strategy of your life and work? And what personal strategy, personal tragedy might you be referencing?

Penny Zenker
Right? So when I started to dig into my process, and how long have I been doing this, when was the first time that I can recall, you know, taking these reset moments and living in this way, it was actually when I was 19, and my father died in an accident, when my parents were actually overseas on vacation. And, you know, so yeah, it was a time where my life was totally out of control. And I use these, what I call reset moments to give myself permission, to pull it together to you know, as that coping mechanism went in, where I needed it, so that I could take that purposeful pause, and just ground myself and reconnect to what matters most and, and just, you know, be able to control my emotions and focus, focus forward. So that's, that's how it started out. But the thing is, is like anything is you start to practice it, and it starts to produce benefits for you. It just helped me be calmer and more in control and more focused about, you know, what matters most where, where, who were the people that I want to be with, it was very clear to me right to who were the people who were there for me, and it was also a mechanism to help me let go, right, to feel freer to let go of the things I can't control or to let go of the people in my life that you know, aren't going to be there in the future, right, that there's a statement of reason, season lifetime, some people are in our life for a reason, or a season, or lifetime. And, you know, just getting understanding that not everybody is in our life for a lifetime. And, and then yeah, it was, it's like it started to show up in other areas, you know, outside of my relationships and showed up at work, how do I focus on the things that are going to grow the business that are going to bring my work, you know, to a greater impact? And how do I find ways to do other things, so it just kind of started to see them everywhere. And you know, that's what other people are telling me too, is they they start to because it's a sticky language to language gives us access, more access to the things that we already know to write. It's not like this is brain surgery, but it gives us greater access to it.

Greg Voisen
Well, and I also think, any that what you're seeing is I had a doctor on here, and you speak to this point where your father unexpectedly passed away or was killed in an accident. And it really gets us to kind of think about our finitude. Right. And when you start to reflect on the breaths that we take, and each moment are what are keeping us alive. So when you talk about reset, I just had a gentleman on here, who does breath work, I just did a podcast with him. And I think it's important for people in corporate America because there's so much stress to actually be able to learn how to get this reset mindset and you have three steps. You call it step back, get perspective and realign. If you would, could you walk us through this because this is at the core essence. It's like, hey, if this is all my listeners take away is this little simple practice. It will be worth their morning listening to this podcast.

Penny Zenker
Yeah, totally. And, you know, I kind of wanted to have something that made sense and that was kind of like the stop, drop and roll right is you know If you're in a fire, what do you do? Right, and it's stressful situation around you, you just stop, drop and roll. So what happens in a reset moment when we notice a signal that we're frustrated or upset with something, or we didn't get the result that we wanted? Or, you know, maybe we have a conflict with someone, wherever these types of signals show up, it intuitively, triggers of reset practice these three steps when we see it as a reset moment. So if you think about it, right, you say, you say, oh, you know, I need to reset, then automatically, what does that mean? It means that we have to step back away from the emotion away from the way we've always done it, and be able to be more objective about how we're looking at the situation. And then that in itself, it helps us to get some perspective to ask new questions to be open to new inputs, to, you know, see things from different angles. And, and then two, three, realign around to the best next step, or the bigger picture that we're working towards that our actions are aligning with our goals, our values and our intention. So it's, it's three simple steps, step back, get perspective and realign and we all know them. It's not like, wow, this is, you know, some kind of new thing. But the thing is, do we have access to it in the moments that we need it? Right, that's, that's usually when we're the least objective is when we're emotions are high, our intellect slow. So if we, if we engage in this practice, then it's going to help us to be more emotionally intelligent to make better decisions to, you know, to reduce the intensity so that we can approach it in with our best self and not necessarily, you know, jump after the first emotion that comes up, or the first solution that presents itself. I

Greg Voisen
love the realignment part I'm reflecting on as you're speaking, I co wrote a book many years ago called wisdom, wellness and redefining work. And that book, we used three there breaks and focus phrases for the employee population. So instead of going and taking a cigarette break, because I'm that old, we were telling people to go take a breather break, and then have a focus phrase, right? What is your mantra? What would be your focus phrase? Yeah. And your realignment really is around kind of that focus phrase, what do I tell myself once I get there? So I think that where this could be very helpful for our corporate listeners, is in organizations to foster this reset mindset among employees, because you wrote a book on productivity so that's a key A to enhance the productivity, enhance the innovation, enhance our creativeness enhance our adaptability, how would you then advise people, especially in this fast paced environment, world in which we're living, to actually utilize the content from this little book, right, to actually help them or I should say, remind them to reset, because really, now it becomes down like, oh, man, I'm busy every day, I don't have time to reset.

Penny Zenker
That's true. And that's, that's what everybody says, I don't have time to slow down, I need to push through this. But I think it's exactly that time that you feel like I don't have the time you're making that you're saying these these phrases that are, you know, self sabotage, in a package. Right. They're they're phrases that that we know, we need to and that's why we're telling ourselves that we don't have time. And that's exactly the time that we need to do it. You know, I love that the focus phrases, so reset is a focus phrase, it is right. And so and I've heard people using this and they said, you know, we had a really emotional heated situation where they needed to bring in the CEO because things had escalated so far. And everybody was at ends at this across the table. And someone was just at my event and they said, hey, could we just take a reset moment and step away from this for for three minutes and come back into the room. So let's let's all disperse and then come back. And when they came back in, they were able to see it from a fresh perspective. The escalation wasn't as high the intensity wasn't as high and they could more quickly come up with a solution that didn't require the CEO to be involved. So and it simply was from somebody calling for a reset. I

Greg Voisen
actually think Penny, you should be speaking to all the media companies in this world who keep pushing this stuff out. out into the world and have never taken a reset. Because their whole job is to sell the world based on what it is that they have to say and to get people hyped up. And there couldn't be somebody better to walk into CBS, NBC, ABC, whatever it might be a CNN and have him do some reset mindset without just my commentary to be honest with you. Yes, that is what we're fed every day, all day long. We

Penny Zenker
are and maybe to speak to that point. Because, unfortunately, I'm not sure that we can change because the media is set up to demand to push stuff to get our attention. So with that being said, we have to take back our intention, and attention, right, take back our focus by saying, I'm not going to watch the news, right, I do not watch the news. And if I did, it's at key points, certainly first thing in the morning, that's the worst thing that anybody could do, would be to watch the news, because that's the energy that you're starting the day with. And so we need to be, you know, really owning our focus and owning our energy. And owning our intentions means we have to be more disciplined and structured as to how we want to consume that type of information. And, you know, and how much of a part we allow it to be a part of our lives, right. So these things can be distractions. And so if we want to be intentional in in our life, in our relationships in our businesses, then you know, that's one place to start to, is to say, what do I need less of in my life? You know, and and put some, some structured boundaries around the information that we're allowing into ourselves.

Greg Voisen
Yeah. And I think you know, this, you discuss the importance of adapting to change. And it seems like things seems like things are changing all the time around us. And I will say the speed of change is there. And I say to you, what are some practical strategies for individuals and organizations to kind of embrace change and turn the challenges into opportunities? Because I remember Jonathan field saying that literally, if you go through uncertainty, you get the opportunity. And I think uncertainty is one of the things that we're all dealing with, what would be your comment there?

Penny Zenker
I guess it would be to check in what's our relationship with uncertainty. Because it again, I have this filter, that it's all about focus, if we focus on the things that are uncertain, it might make us anxious, but at the same time, when there are things that are uncertain, there are also things that are certain. So we need to have that balance, what are we certain of, we can ask ourselves that question in times of, of challenge, what are we certain of our you know, and get clear on how we can approach this based on the things that we are certain of so for instance, if if we have a culture, if we're talking about an organization, and we've fostered a culture of community, well, we can work together and collaborate and be a community as we work through this. And that can give you stability, even though everything around you is uncertain. Your your basis is certain, right? So we have to in one way, right? That's what a reset mindset does is it helps you to get, you know, get perspective on that change is not a bad thing. Uncertainty is not a bad thing. And so what's our relationship with it? How could we see this as an opportunity where ask ourselves question, well, how might we use this to create a greater impact to double our business right and create some really incredible goals? Look at what we did through the pandemic, look at the medical field and how much it changed. For the better right we have now have telemedicine that is now more available to to people who maybe can't get to the doctor you know, for some of the things that they look at

Greg Voisen
you love what you and I are doing right now that's a great example of what happened during the during COVID I mean these these shows were not being video they were audio and then zoom came along and if people really just looked at it, okay, yes, we had some services prior but the reality is zoom was one of the companies that brought this to to light to actually be able to do this for the common person right we were you Using other things before, but so, you know, how does the concept of dynamic reassessment, you call it reassessment play a role in maintaining the reset mindset? And why is this crucial for long term success? Because, you know, the reset mindset, we've actually got to learn how to use it. But we also want this to be playing a role in our long term success.

Penny Zenker
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, think of it like this. So dynamic reassessment is just taking advantage of real time feedback. Right. And so if things are changing, and there's more uncertainty, then we need to shorten the periods of time that we choose to, to listen and engage and evaluate and reflect on that feedback. And it goes back to your point of we don't have the time. So there's an important reflection points that just aren't happening when they need to happen. Because they're being pushed off. But those reflection points are what keep us on target. Like if we're going really fast in the wrong direction. That is going to cost us more time, money and energy to to redirect when we've already gotten down far along the path. Right. So so the more often that we can have conversations with our employees to understand what what's working and what's not working, what's engaging them, what's not engaging them? How do we redefine these these roles that might be changing over time, we need to check in more often. And that's the idea of the dynamic reassessment. And it's same thing in the marketplace behaviors are changing. So we don't want to wait and be left behind. We need to be able to stay on top of the different changing behaviors and even ask ourselves new questions to challenge the marketplace, in terms of well, who's not buying today? And why are they not buying for example, right? And there could be a whole marketplace. Just like Uber came up with a who's not who's not buying, you know, taxi service or whatnot that would like to have that type of service? And how do we do this in a different way. So we don't take on as much risk, right? We don't own the vehicles. It's the largest transportation company in the world that doesn't own a single vehicle. Oh, that's, that's brilliant model.

Greg Voisen
And now they're delivering our food.

Penny Zenker
Right? And then and then it this business model then was taken over into a lot of different areas. So but it's from the questions that they asked, and they challenged the marketplace. And, and because of that they came up with new models, and that is how we survive and thrive in the future is to dynamically reassess our marketplace, our processes and our leadership strategies.

Greg Voisen
Well, and I think what goes along with this penny is that look, every one whether it's personally or professional, we have times in our life where we're stuck. Okay, let's just face it, I've been stuck, you've been stuck. Everybody gets stuck. It's almost like it feels like we're stuck in the mud. And it it's like 1000 pounds to move one leg just to get moving. And how does the reset mindset when somebody is struggling with this help them to actually get unstuck? I mean, even in the title here, it says, you know how to get unstuck focus on what focus on what matters most and reach your goals faster. You know, I, we've had Brian Tracy on here recently, he has like V goal guy, right? So the question is, is okay, yeah, we all have goals. But I know one of the things that gets you stuck, is if you're attached to it happening in a certain way. That's an attachment to the goal. Goals don't always happen the way you expect them to happen. It's great to have goals, it's great to set them but where you get disappointed is when you've attached to something so much. And that's how you get stuck is being attached. Any comments?

Penny Zenker
Yeah, for sure attachments and write those expectations of this is the way it should be. Or I have to do it this way. So absolutely. We get stuck in that one way of thinking that it has to be like this. And and that keeps us from being more creative to see other ways to do things and and to get out of that space. You know, there's so many Different strategies to get unstuck. And part of it is what we tell ourselves, right? Those expectations turn into also, you know, I can't do that, you know, that's, you know, whatever, whatever the language is, that's maybe holding somebody back, I'm not good enough. And maybe they don't even know that that's the language. But if you catch yourself, so a real simple strategy is like, if you catch yourself repeating the same types of things, like I hear myself lately, and I'm a professional noticer. That's what I do. And that's where the reset mindset gives you that heightened awareness to be noticing your language, noticing your interactions looking for those signals. And I've noticed that I've been saying a lot, I don't have the time because I've bitten off a little bit more than I can chew with, with my book coming out and engagements and, and and right, we all have a lot of different plates in the air. And so I'm recognizing that and so we can just every time you hear yourself, say it, snap your fingers, right, we want to break that pattern that we're just repeating. So when we break that pattern, eventually just like a CD that would play for those of you who remember CDs, you know, they would if you scratched it over and over again, then it wouldn't play anymore. And so, you know, that's the idea that we can break a pattern and then replace it with something else, right? Wait a minute, I choose, you know, I choose not to do this over that. It's not that I can't do this, it's that I've made this a higher priority. Maybe I need to step back and check on my priorities and what they really are.

Greg Voisen
Well, I also think, you know, you say your notice, or your I think one of the words I would use is I'm an observer. And I think when you take the 50,000 foot view of observing from the top down. I've said this so many times on my shows, and I got this through my degree in spiritual psychology. If you had a camera follow you all day long, and they videoed it. And you watched back the video, would you like what you saw? Right? And, and I think it's important for people in resetting their mindset to say, Hey, I just watched the video. And there was so much about that video that I was not happy with. And the question is, is how do I change it? What do I do to go about changing either that behavior, or that action? Or the thing that I did? Or I got emotional and I spouted off, but all of those things. So how can the reset mindset help individuals reframe? I love it. setbacks and failures to continue progressing toward there. I'm gonna say aspirations. Okay, so how does this reset mindset? Because you said, there's three simple steps Step back, get perspective, realign. Okay, so if I just kept that in my mantra, when this happened, could I just like literally go, Okay, this is my mantra, step back. Take a breath, yet perspective? Realign, is, would that be the secret?

Penny Zenker
I mean, I know it sounds ridiculously oversimplified, but that is the secret. Or that same process could happen with with a lot of different mantras. So let's say you're in a conflict with someone, maybe your mantra that is part of a reset mindset is just to assume positive intent that this person doesn't mean to harm me or upset me, there's a misunderstanding. And I just need to listen and ask questions and and keep the intensity down, right, believe that it's with positive intent. And what happens when I do that is, in that moment, I'm stepping back to create awareness in myself to say, hey, this isn't personal. Right? I'm giving it perspective to say, Okay, let's find out what's really going on here. And then let's realign with the most important thing, which is our relationship and get it back on track. Right. So those steps, you can remember those steps as the mantra or you can remember other mantras or statements or quotes or frameworks that you might use that actually go through those steps because they're more like a mental model. And there's lots of other cues that can happen that trigger that mental model. Does that make sense? Definitely.

Greg Voisen
And I want to point this out at this point, because you've created a course that people can take. I actually went there the other day, and there's video recordings of you. If you would speak about your core Because I really think that for people that are really want to get this, granted, you can get it through the book. But a lot of people are a little more auditory or kinesthetic, and they want to go through a course. Speak with us about that course and how the people can get it and what the cost is for the course.

Penny Zenker
Yeah, well, at the moment, the cost is the cost of the book. So when they buy the book, they'll get the course for free because it's not exactly the same. What's in the book is more of the introduction to what is a reset mindset? Why do we need it and basically understanding how it can be used, but then the course will go in a little bit more depth and supplement the book so that they can put it into practice. There's worksheets and examples and QR

Greg Voisen
codes in the back of this basically take them I know there's a couple of QR codes. Right. Right. Yeah, I'll just show my listeners. There they are. Okay. And so there's bonuses and other offers there. One of them also is the productivity zones. But they literally can get there through that correct? Yes,

Penny Zenker
yes, yeah. And also, when they go to the reset mindset.net, there's a place there where they can record the purchase ID number and then and then it will send them a link to, to the vote bonus. And I'm gonna

Greg Voisen
make a plug here because we all learn through spaced repetition. And we're working with Mark Hirschberg. Now, to get authors to do this, his brain bone Penny, is on brain bump. So if you don't have the brain bump app, and you're into kind of spaced repetition learning, which is like, Okay, I just want small little bite sized pieces, I don't have the ability to take this all at once. I think marks Hirsch Burke's idea is a brilliant idea. And to get actually pennies, quotes, and you can choose when you want to get on, like if you want to get one in the morning, three times a week, or you only want it once a week, you can choose all that, but definitely go to brain bump app.com. There, you can learn more. And you can learn more about pennies because pennies book is in there. The reset mindset is in there. So

Penny Zenker
can I share a quick story? Real quick story? Yeah,

Greg Voisen
we were gonna get to that next. So you're beating? No, go ahead. I want to hear the story. It's

Penny Zenker
it's, it's to your point of how do we reframe things. So I think you know, I talked about it, but not personally, right. So I was I was in a situation where I was working with this market research company, and I was on the executive team. And I was brought in at a time where there was a lot of change, and a lot of really big changes for the organization that was happening and the senior leadership. They didn't really accept me, the CEO brought me in and didn't really invite other senior leaders to be part of that selection process. And so there was a lot of infighting of people wanting to be CEO. So they didn't like somebody knew I was a woman in a male dominated society. I didn't know the the industry. I wasn't from Switzerland and didn't speak the language. So like I had all of these sorts of things against me. And it actually was a very toxic environment in the beginning. And you talked about how can we reframe things. I mean, I was very close to quitting, I was many times brought to tears in the way that I was treated, and the lack of respect and the challenges that we were facing, and I just felt alone. And there was a point when I was sitting in my car one day, and I was you know, I was already in knots. And I was just coming into the office. And I was in tears. And I said to myself, I have a choice to make. And I could quit, or I can be the change agent, because I can stop being the victim. And I can be an agent of change in this situation. And I can drive change, and I can focus on what's going to help me drive change, versus, you know, what's all against me, I had every reason to be upset and right and all of those things too. Fair enough, but that that wasn't going to get me anywhere. And it certainly wasn't gonna get the organization anywhere. So I chose to be a change agent. And with that shift in my mindset, I was able to shift others mindsets. So it you know, that's how we in an organization. It's one person at a time, one reset moment at a time that can help us to shift ourselves and then shift others so that we can work to the greater good.

Greg Voisen
Well, you point out an important point here and It's really around the energy that you carry as an individual, into an organization into a room into an environment. As a public speaker, you realize this, because it's about reading your audience. It's about what your audience needs and wants, right? And a really good speaker like yourself, who's been on TEDx who's done numerous talk to 1000s of people, you understand that the minute you get up on stage, and you read your audience, and the energy that you carry, is so extremely important for people to actually be receptive to your message to be receptive of Penny Zucker. It's just that's the way it is, right? Otherwise, I'm gonna sit here like this and go, No, I don't want to listen to this lady, because she doesn't have anything to say that I want to hear. So if you were to leave our listeners today, with as the reset mindset is kind of evolving, right? We've talked about how this can evolve for people. And what do you see, as far as some of the maybe future trends do you anticipate in the field of personal growth and organizational development, because like, this is your field, this is you're actually giving people through your productivity book. And through the reset mindset book, these two books plush, your course, you're really trying to get people to open up their energy fields to be more receptive. And understand there are other perspectives, right? Get perspective, yours isn't the only perspective. Now, while that may sound super simple, the reality is we have all kinds of biases. Every day, we have blind spots, we have biases, you know, I could think about penny this way. Because, you know, she wears her earrings, the whatever way she wears them, whatever. And so what do you what do you see happening? Where do you see this trending, because you're on the bleeding edge of it?

Penny Zenker
Well, you know, I see distraction, if we allow it, distractions are only going to increase because of the change. And because of all the information that's available to us, I also think, with the growth and exponential change that's going to happen through technology and AI, that we might be looking at. People being more empathetic and more complacent, you know, that will be done, you know, by by AI. And, and it is the way that it is and there's nothing I can do about it. So I see a big risk in those areas. And, and that's exactly where we need to, to have a reset mindset understanding that we have to take back control and of the things that we can control and let go of the things that we can't bring our creativity so that we can maximize the technology that's available, going forward so that we can create new roles that are going to lead to greater impact and, and just be able to deal with, you know, they say that 75% I think was Harvard Business Review 75% of change management efforts fail, right, and that change is becoming exponential. So we need to shift into a reset mindset so that we as individuals, and also leaders can be able to dance with the change as it as it comes about.

Greg Voisen
Well, and that's a really good point you make 75% of change management actually fail. And in my humble opinion, they fail because they get too complex. I think simplicity. You know, we see people I saw CBS Sunday Morning, I was watching just this last Sunday, and this couple moved from the busy city to this island in Maine, and there's only 50 people on the island, right? Only 50 people, right? And the kids are going to a school house where there's only three people in the school in the in the class in the class, right? And so it gives you an idea that that's pretty radical. minimalism and simplicity. I do agree. And they've given up their Starbucks, as they said, for living on this little island in Maine, but they said it is the best thing they ever did for their kids in themselves. And I think we're in a global change at this point where we're all seeking something. Again, that story is maybe a little bit too radical. You aren't going to do that. But here's what I would say and I want to see if you confer concur. take that time to go do some meditation every morning or a walk with the dog. Don't put your headset on or take your iPhone with you. Leave it at home so you can just smell the roses along the way. little simple things. Have gratitude that you even woke up That morning, and had an opportunity to go walk out in the woods or walk with your dogs or walk along the beach. But to me, it's those simple little moments, every one of them every day, like what you're saying, that's the reset mindset. All of those things are actually resets. There. It's Mike, hey, I'm sitting here doing a podcast after you, I want to get up and reset, right? Because I've been doing this all morning already. And I would say to everyone else, go reset right after this podcast empty, listen to it. Right. Any? You want to leave our listeners with any other words? Penny?

Penny Zenker
Yeah, maybe just to build on what you said is those resets are what help us to break down the complexity. Right, they bring us back into the simplicity of the bigger picture and what's really important and how to center ourselves and be present and, and future minded. Right, not just present, but also future minded and intentional. And yeah, so you know, take take those moments take the time to reflect, take the time to be more intentional. I think that is the absolute key for our future, is this reassessment helps us to be more intentional and brings us back in alignment with our goals, our values and our intentions.

Greg Voisen
Well, Penny, I love what your message is all about. I love you. Thank you for being here on Inside personal growth. And for all of my listeners. The book is the reset mindset. My fingers are on it. Penny Ziggler Zikr. Is that how you say it? Am I saying it right? Her Zenker definitely go out, look at her website, we'll put a link to the website. Also, when you buy this book for free, you basically can take this QR code and go and get this great course that she's got. And she's got it broken down. I love how she did it. Because not any one little module is that long. They're all really short little modules. I was in there just the other day going through them. One thing she did do is you can't cheat. You have to go through each one to get to the next one. And I think that's brilliant, because I was trying to push forward.

Penny Zenker
So I might change that because people do want to be flexible. So I'm getting feedback on that about how people how people are engaging with it. Yeah,

Greg Voisen
Well, I thought it was great. And I just want to thank you for doing it. And thank you for inviting me into it. Thanks for being on and say personal growth. Namaste to you to have a wonderful, beautiful day.

Penny Zenker
Thank you.