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Well, welcome to Inside Personal Growth. Sitting on the other side of the screen there, as you can see, is Cynthia Kane. And Cynthia was just on our show, and she did a full podcast about one book called the Pause Principle, how it learn how it can transform your relationships.

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Cynthia, good day to you. I appreciate you coming back again. Oh, I'm happy to be back. And the reason that I had her back is because she had a trilogy of books prior to this book. And do you want to hold those books up for our listeners?

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Yeah, they can see those. Trilogy. How to Meditate Like a Buddha, Meditate Like a Buddhist, Talk to Yourself like a Buddhist, and then how to Communicate like a Buddhist. Perfect. So we're going to actually do one podcast here that's going to cover a little bit about all three of these books because they're kind of intertwined.

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You know, it's really all about, Buddhism, but it's really more about how you transform yourself, how you can transform yourself. And I'm going to let them know a little bit about you.

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She has a company called Caine Intentional Communication Institute. And we'll put a link in the show notes here. But she's the founder of that organization, and it's a leading communication institute that provides services to individuals and companies to improve communication skills.

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Cynthia, used her proprietary process called the CANE Intentional Communication TM Practice to help her students experience more peace so they could show up authentically, in the most important relationships. As we said, she's the author of all of these books.

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She's been featured in Spirituality and Health Magazine, Self Magazine, Thrive, Global Authority Magazine, the Washington Post, Women's Day, BBC Travel, and the list goes on Mind, Body Green. She's been featured in Mindfulness and Meditation Expert in the Great Day Washington, Good morning, Arizona, Good morning, Connecticut, and all about women.

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So she's been out there doing it and getting to the media. She has a Bachelor of Arts degree from Bard College and a Master of Fine Arts degree from Sarah Lawrence College. And she lives in Washington, D.C. with her husband. And she says her two kiddos. Well, her two kiddos that she actually has to kind of cart around.

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So we, we were talking about that last time. Yeah, but that's part of being a mother and, having a family. So it's really, really important. And, you know, this whole thing, around Buddhism. Right. So whether it's the Dalai Lama or it's anybody else that people out there have really followed and I always love, every time I see the Dalai Lama, I've seen him in person once in Arizona.

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How playful and how laugh. Much laughter always comes out of it. It's like, yeah, it's like a constant amount of laughter. It's just like he'll end comment and he'll go, you know. And I'm like, wow, this guy laughs a lot.

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Tell us how important just being playful and laughing and knowing that whatever it is, isn't that serious is when it comes to not just Buddhism, but how all of us should probably spend most of our lives.

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Yeah, well, I think playfulness is a really big part of really being present. Right. In our, in our lives. And it helps us become present because we can only laugh when we are in the present moment.

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We can only create when we're in the present moment. Right. And this sense of playfulness though is really important because it is not taking ourselves too seriously. We are constantly changing, our emotions are constantly changing.

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Everything is impermanent. And so when we kind of look through that lens, things can feel a little lighter sometimes and we can start to maybe experiment more where before, you know, things may seem more serious and there's only one way to do a thing.

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Right. So we try to lighten it up a little bit. Yeah, I think the whole concept around, I know when I go to meditation retreats, it comes up for me around wonderment, you know, just the, the exploring the world as if you're seeing it from kids eyes for the first time, you know.

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Yeah. It's like we're so conditioned in so many ways that you know, you, you can look at a petal on a flower and say, wow, how beautiful it is. Well, 95 of the world or more just passes by or they don't smell the rose or they don't take the time to hug a tree.

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And I know it sounds kind of strange to maybe many people listening, but the reality is these are the kind of things that actually I think bring more peace and more joy into one's life. Yeah. Your Buddhist inspired communication trilogy has really resonated with thousands of readers.

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And for all my listeners, you can go get these books on Amazon, and we'll put links to all of them in the show notes below. So take a look at that. What personal experiences led you personally to explore Buddhism principles as really this framework for modern communication and self talk?

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Well, I, I didn't know much about Buddhism growing up. I had never studied it or anything and I, I didn't really have an interest until I was given this opportunity to go to a workshop at the Shambhala Institute in New York when I lived there.

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And that came through because I, I had lost my first love unexpectedly. And I was really trying to figure out how to enjoy being here again and really trying to understand how, you know, how to just move through the day to day differently.

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And when a friend of mine introduced me to this meditation and writing workshop, at the Shambhala Institute, I was trying everything at that time to try to find my way out of this, you know, this darkness that I was really in. And it was that weekend where I learned how to meditate and where I learned the elements of right speech and Buddhism that really transformed me.

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I mean, it was that aha, Moment that a lot of people have at some point where this, this idea of being able to connect in a kind, honest and helpful way and communicate in a way that was more helpful than hurtful felt like my way out of suffering.

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And, that's really where I was introduced to the concepts of the elements of right speech in Buddhism. And I had been, you know, before this workshop, I had been doing a lot of courses and reading a lot of books and going to a lot of trainings.

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And communication was a big piece of what I was learning about in terms of changing or transforming or starting to feel better in the world. But I couldn't pinpoint actually how to do it and what I was, you know, like what the actual, steps were.

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And so when I was introduced to the elements of right speech, which are to tell the truth, to don't exaggerate, don't gossip, and use helpful language, I, I knew, okay, this is my way out. Like, this is how I can actually change how I communicate.

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But then I had to figure out how to do it right. How to start speaking in a kind, honest and helpful way, how to not, exaggerate, how to stop gossiping. And so that was really how I was introduced to, to Buddhism. And that, I mean, that was really that one weekend that completely changed my, my whole entire trajectory after that.

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Well, I mean, in Buddhism there's the statement that there's going to be a, put a paraphrase. It, there's going to be pain, but suffering is really the option, right? So, and I think that's a really important statement for people to ponder, right?

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We're all going to go through life. It isn't going to be without pains. The question is, is how much do we need to suffer around the pain? That's a choice. A mental model or construct and in how to communicate like a Buddhist, you introduce what you call the three C's of speaking.

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And you talk about speaking consciously, concisely, clearly. And your company is really about communicating and listening. Right? So I would say, hey, it's also as much about listening. Could you break down for the listeners what each of these three means in practice?

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Because even me as a podcaster, sometimes I lose sight of these. Right? And it's. It's easy to do when in a conversation because you're either your mind is going, oh, I need to speed this along, or I need to, I have to get to the next question or whatever it might be, and I think there's a lot for me to learn just from what you will have to say here.

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Well, so speaking consciously, really what that means is we're starting to pay attention to the language that we're using, right? So we start to pay attention, to if our language is helpful, if it's moving the conversation forward. We start to become more conscious of, you know, what's happening within us within a conversation.

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So we're learning more about how our emotions and our thoughts can dictate the way that we interact. So becoming conscious means we're starting to notice and pay attention to the language that we're using, and if it's, you know, if it really is necessary, if it's helpful.

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And we're also starting to become more conscious of our role within a conversation as well. We can be in a lot of different interactions and take on many different roles within that conversation. So we can choose to be a daughter in a conversation.

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We can choose to be a friend. We can choose to be, you know, a boss. We can choose to be a teacher. We can choose. And based off of being conscious of what role we're playing, we become more, you know, conscious of the different types of language that we may be using. So becoming more conscious just means, really, we're starting to be more mindful, paying attention to what we're saying while we're saying it, and we're doing so with.

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Without evaluation or without judgment. So we're coming really more through this, this friend friendliness, right? More of like a gentleness when we're looking and noticing and then communicating. First it's consciously, then clearly we want to be clear, because vague language just really causes a lot of confusion and a lot of misunderstanding.

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And. And so to become clear, really what we start to pay attention to is being very specific with our language. So in conversations, a lot of times, we Will share information, but we will not be very clear in.

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For example, we could say, you know, I need this to be into me by the end of the day. But by the end of the day for me might be 5pm, but by the end of the day for you could be 6pm Right. So if we get really clear, then there's no room for misunderstanding.

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So then it would simply be, you know, I, would need that into me by 5pm today, the other 5pm Eastern today. Then the other person understands. Okay, that's exactly the same time. Right. So we start to become more clear with our language. And then the last piece is really becoming concise because we can just speak too much.

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We can over explain, we can dance around, and we will lose the person very, very quickly. And we really want to be able to speak so another person can hear us or can understand us. And to do that means we really need to cut the fat of what we're saying, so that, you know, we're speaking less, not more.

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Well, and I think, you know, Cynthia, sometimes people get it before they get it, and so they get impatient with you because here you are doing this and a lot of times you don't know what, that brings me to this part in communicate like a Buddhist.

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And I want you to explain this because it's the language of silence. Yeah. And okay, so people are like, the language of silence. Is there really language in silence? There is, There is.

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And so what advice would you have about incorporating that into our daily communications? Well, I think just starting to notice silence in how you use silence in your conversations is important because sometimes we'll use it to power over, to punish or to push away.

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But really what we're looking for is can we start to use silence, bringing it into our conversations by whether it looks like pausing and taking these kind of gaps within your conversation. So you start to practice pausing more in your conversation.

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But in that silence, what you're looking to do do is you're looking to find a way to collaborate more, or you're finding a way to be more helpful, or you're starting to pay attention in the conversation to how you can keep the integrity of the conversation intact.

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So you bring silence in more to kind of create that space to become present, to check in with yourself, to then be able to express yourself and expressing yourself in a way that's kind, honest, and helpful. So we use silence to create more intimacy within a conversation or create more connection.

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I think it also gives you time. This is just my personal reflection on Silence to contemplate. And maybe contemplate isn't the right word, but I will use it. Contemplate, not really what you're going to say, but how you're going to be.

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I love that. Yeah, it's like, it's, it's a, it's an essence in which you carry yourself or you come across. If you give yourself the silence to contemplate that, I think it works out very well. So now in, in your, in your books, your other book is Talk to Yourself like a Buddhist.

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Okay, so it's like, hey, people used to tell me, you know, I wrote a book on intuition and I said I would hear things. Some people are auditory, some people are kinesthetic. And, and I look at it from a spiritual standpoint. I'm being spoken to and I have to have, the discernment what is coming through.

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So you discuss what you call the unreported epidemic of self, negative self, talk, which, hey look, it's out there all over the place. Why do you think we're often harder on ourselves than we would ever be on anybody else?

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And what a prescription do you have for this negative self talk? Well, I think we're harder on ourselves because we don't understand how, how important we are.

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In the sense that we're very outward focused. Right. And we're you know, when it comes to people sharing attributes or qualities of others that are really, you know, positive, we always hear about being selfless and we always hear about giving to others and you know, being friendly towards others and being kind towards others.

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And there's not so much in our, you know, educational system really around taking ourselves into consideration and being kind towards ourselves and being caring towards ourselves. So I think that's one piece of it.

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I think we don't see that we need to be able to extend that nurturing love and care to ourselves first before we can extend it to other people. And I think it's a matter of shifting that.

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And a lot of times when working with people. It sounds strange, but I'll often say that what we really have to do is we have to start putting ourselves first. Right. We have to start connecting with ourselves first and talking to ourselves first in a kind, honest and helpful way before we can actually have kind conversations with other people.

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But I do think that the first step towards changing the way that we talk to ourselves is starting to notice how we are in this moment. Right. So we can Pay attention to. If the words that we're using are hurtful, if they're causing more anxiety, if they're causing more doubt, causing more fear, then we know that we're talking to ourself in a way that isn't very helpful.

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So then the work would be, well, how can I speak to myself in a way that's kind, honest and helpful? That's more objective? Right. So it's. Yeah. Well, so what do you, what do you advocate? I mean, meditation.

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We're going to get to it. But, but, so you're. We're, you know, we're talking about negative self talk here, but the first thing is self awareness. And you just said, hey, how are we in the moment? And what I find myself even doing is that it's almost like I'm not even taking that breath.

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Yeah. Because we talked about in, in your other book, the. The breath, how important it would be. And I would think one of the tools that I personally would say that I don't use it enough is to take a deep breath. I've noticed myself even in this interview now taking two or three deep breaths while you're talking to like really realize where I'm at.

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Yeah, right. Does actually paying attention to our breath bring greater self awareness to the negative self talk? It does, yes. Because what it. Every time you take a breath, right.

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What you're noticing is you're in the present moment. Right. So our negative self talk is a distraction. It is It means that anytime we're thinking, we're not in the present moment. So you can use your breath as a way to detach from your thoughts.

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Right. So you can come back into the present moment and then begin again. And the breath is a wonderful way to do that. You know, I had one author tell me, and he's a doctor and a hypnotherapist, and he said worry, which is one way you can talk about negative self talk.

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It's like, hey, I'm worried. It's misguided imagination. I love. Yes, right. I thought it was a great statement. Now your Middle path of self communication includes what you refer to AS5 practices. Listening, exploring, questioning, release and balance.

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Could you share an example of how those practices might transform a common negative thought pattern? Because some people get into a pattern of I'm not enough. Right.

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Or I'll never be enough. Yeah. And, and it's, it's one that, you know, if the neural pathway was to be broken, I would say, hey, tapping, breathing. All kinds of things. To get you out of this pattern that you've done.

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I had an experience with it very early on in my life, in my actually 20s and 30s of, anxiety attacks. And they were so severe that I ended up going and getting electrodes on my head.

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And I really realized that through meditation I could control them. Right. And then they went away completely, but they were so severe that it, at times I was housebound. Yeah. Right. So I think people need to understand how powerful this really is.

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Right. The breathing, any technique that works for you, but reality, I think breathing is one of them. Because once you slow down and you notice your breathing, you also realize how you're talking to yourself. Yeah. Because you're slowing everything down.

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So you're becoming more aware and paying attention. Right? Yeah. So when we look at, let's say, this idea of not, you know, not being good enough, we start listening to that. So that's the first piece, right? You're listening and you're saying, oh, there I am. I'm talking to myself in a way that's unhelpful, that's hurtful.

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Right. And then it's a bit about, well, where does it actually come from? Right. Is this my voice? Or is this, a voice that, you know, comes from the past? Is it my mother's voice? Is it my father's voice? Is it my sister's voice? Is it, my teacher's voice?

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My partner's voice? Right. Or is this really mine? And so we explore a little bit to understand, is this a label that I gave myself, you know, because of an experience that I had when I was 7? So we start to see that maybe this isn't true.

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Right. So first we hear it, then we explore it a little bit. And then the questions are really, is this true? Is what I'm saying to myself true? Sounds like Byron, Katie a little. Right. It is different.

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She used to ask people, is it true? Is it really true? Because, you know, I said we live in the msu, the world of making stuff up and then believing what we make up and then living what we made up. Yeah. Right. And so to break the pattern of MSU and I, I wouldn't be nicer making up, but the reality is, is that we would.

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We make up stories all the time, but we don't realize it. Right. But we believe that's true. Yeah. But it's really not true. Because if you ask anybody else from the outside, they would go, what are you talking about?

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A lot of times that's what they would say. Yeah, yeah. So it really is. Can we see clearly in this moment? Right. Can we identify. This isn't actually a story. That's a real story. This is something that I'm just telling myself because I feel this way, or there's a label or there's scarcity or, you know, whatever it might be.

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And then we have to forgive ourselves for talking to ourselves in a difficult way, in a hurtful way, and then we can release it. So, you know, there's also different practices that we do like meditation to be, like, very helpful.

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Meta meditation is a wonderful meditation that we can do to help with negative self talk. Because meta meditation is really all about extending more compassion towards ourselves and seeing ourselves as somebody that we want to care for and be kind to. Right. And so that then changes the way we end up talking to ourselves.

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So meditation is a great tool for it as well. Breathing practices, tapping. Right. All the phrasing of, you know, even though I'm, you know, feeling insecure right now, I deeply and completely love and accept myself. Even just saying that phrase to ourselves relaxes us, potentially loosens us up to see.

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Are you saying an affirmation or mantra? So mantras can help. A mantra. Prior to that, I mean, I noticed in your wording above, I don't think it meant Transcendental Meditation, but you had tm. It was TM around a process that you'd come up.

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Yes. Yeah, Trademarked. But, yeah, for a minute there, I was thinking, oh, she's using Transcendental Meditation. No, no, no, no, no. I want to be very clear. I don't use Transcendental Meditation. Okay. So that's good to know.

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It's good to know. So, look, there's a lot of beginners out there. There's a lot of people that have never practiced it. It always amazes me when I tell people, hey, do you meditate or do you do this? And they'll say, no, I've never done it, and I'm. I'm afraid of it.

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Or, it's not something that's part of the religious background that I came from. So for beginners who are intimidated by meditation, what simple practice for the how to Meditate like a Buddhist would you recommend as an entry point?

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I mean, I've heard, we had Dr. Brantley on here from Duke University, who wrote all these Five Minute Meditation books. I mean, he was famous for the Five Minute Meditation series. And I know frequently authors like yourself will say, hey, you know, start off with three or five minutes.

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Don't even do that. Do it while you're in the car or do a walking meditation or do whatever. What would you recommend if you were speaking to someone right now, has never done it before, and it's like, okay, I really want to try something to see if I can break this negative, self talk.

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So I would do long, slow, deep breathing as a meditation, which means you're inhaling to the top, then you're exhaling and you're silently saying to yourself, one, and then you're going to inhale and exhale and silently say two.

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Then you're going to inhale and exhale. You're going to go up to 10. And that's what I would start with. Because I think sometimes meditation does have this really overwhelming, like it feels really, really big.

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And so it's important for us to see that it is a simple practice. It doesn't have to be sitting for very long amounts of time. It really can just be counting our breaths, right, to begin with, or even just taking five long, slow, deep inhales and exhales in the morning just to start understanding and seeing the, the changes just from those small, you know, the small.

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What obstacles. What obstacles did Cynthia Cain face when she first started? And how did you. I mean, I faced all the obstacles. I mean, the monkey mind was really bad, Oh, yeah. It was everywhere. I'm like, why am I doing this? What is happening?

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Am I doing this right? I would fall asleep, sleep all the time. I would, I, mean, I would be bored, I'd be restless. I mean, I would really fall into all of the obstacles. For sure. To do list would come into your head. Oh, yeah.

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Why am I sitting here when I should be going to get the kids or doing this or doing. And then like, sensation in the body. Oh, my legs. Asleep, I have a scratch. Do I itch it? Like, I mean, my mind was, you know, everywhere. I.

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I'd never ever sat by myself before. You know what we're in. In your humble opinion, as someone who's written three books now on Buddhist practices, how did you overcome all of those obstacles which we've all faced?

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Right. I mean, I happen to be part of self realization fellowship. And they will have six hour meditations now. It's very challenging. I never have done one. I'm going to be honest with everybody out there, so that would scare me. I've never made through six hours.

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And granted, they take breaks. They. Okay, they kind of do take like, water. But the challenge is Is that you don't need to look at it as that extreme. Right. You need to look at it as a way to slow you down, to recalibrate your body.

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And so what did you do to recalibrate your body so that it started to accept the two minutes, the three minutes, the five minutes, and so that you got to a point where, Maybe. I know, for me, at the peaks of meditation, I.

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At my crown chakra, I get this pulsating purple going in and out, in and out. And. And to me, when I can get there, I'm like, whoa, this is a whole new. I'm like, man, how did I get here?

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This is like I went out of body. Yeah. In the gap. Yeah. I mean, I think for. For me, even though it was challenging, I could tell that something was different within me.

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I could feel a difference. And so that's what kept me coming back. But it was more a lot seeing if the. The practice for me became allowing my mind to be wild and crazy, right? It was like, okay, I'm not going to resist what is happening here.

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I'm actually going to see. Can I sit beside what's happening here? So I have all these thoughts running around. That's okay. It's okay to have thoughts. So that's what I would tell myself right? When I'm sitting there and I'm meditating and all the thoughts are coming, and I'm like, oh, stop.

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Like, this isn't. I'm not supposed to be doing this. I'm supposed to be quieting my mind. But the reality is that we cannot quiet our mind, right? It's. We are seeing and noticing and observing. And if we can allow our thoughts to be there, that's actually when they start to leave, right?

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And it's the same thing when the emotion would come, like, big emotion. I remember this one time having anxiety within the meditation, and it was so uncomfortable, and I wanted to just stop. And I said, okay, I'm gonna play with this. Right? Kind of back to that playfulness piece that you talked about in the beginning.

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I'm gonna see, like, can I play with this? Can I allow this to be here? Can I turn my attention towards. Follow the anxiety in my body? And then it started to change. The texture of it started to change. And then I felt it leave the body.

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And so it was. It became more like a playfulness practice for me to see. Can I allow myself to have whatever experience I'm having in meditation and can that be okay? And that was really liberating for me because I had not ever in my life really allowed myself to be however I was.

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And it'd be okay because there was always judgment and evaluation and negative self talk. And so the moment that I gave that myself permission in the meditation to do that, it was, almost like I was giving myself permission to be kind to myself. You know, what you just stated is so important.

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I think you, if you can be an observer of self. Right? Yeah. Like, okay, here's my body over here. I'm out here. There's another one of me. Just be okay with the monkey mind playing through everything it's going to do. And once you get there, after you get past this for a while, as you said, it starts to slow down, it starts to tune out.

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Yeah, you start to tune in. Yes. You go deeper inward than you've ever been before. And that's where you have, an amazing experience. I'm not saying you're going to have a satori experience, but the reality is you'll be able to sit for longer at that point.

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Yeah, yeah, right. Because, even, me, I think in my whole existence here, in 70 years, I've only had maybe one or two satori experiences where you actually felt like you were one with everything. Like it was just like, wow, what, what's going on?

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And don't have an expectation of that. Right. The point is, is don't try to meditate toward that. Just allow that to happen and be, you know. So look, you've written these three books on Buddhist inspired communications and mindfulness practices.

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So for Cynthia, what surprised you the most about how the readers of these books, because these aren't brand new books, have applied these teachings in their lives. And what inspires you to continue through even your organization to actually espouse these practices to be used for people in personal life and in their business life?

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Well, I think, I mean, I, I was just surprised in general when my first book came out and people read it, you know, and then that people started then taking the practices within it and starting to apply it to their day to day.

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Because for me this was all coming out of personal experience. So, you know, at this point, all of the work that I was writing about really had to do with, you know, what I was seeing within my own life. And then people were interested in it, so I started teaching other people and then the practices started helping them, which I, it was surprising to me.

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I don't know why, because they helped me so much. Right. But so I think, for me, the, the biggest piece is really seeing how it changes, you know, family relationships, sibling relationships, how it, brings, you know, marriages that are, you know, on the brink of divorce, either back together or it creates a more conscious divorce.

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Right. It creates easier way of expressing and empowering a decision. So I also think, you know, it's surprising to me how, how it really becomes. It's a daily practice and it's a practice that I practice daily.

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But then to see other people start to implement it as such and just seeing what happens in their lives because of it is, to me, it's just such a beautiful thing. And, I, I'm. I had to share it because it was changing my life.

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And it's still something that I absolutely love. It's my passion to share this work with other people. Right. Because I grew up, I was not a very good communicator. I was very passive aggressive, very judgmental. And because of these practices, my relationships, like, I have a really wonderful relationship with my husband.

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I have a, you know, a great open way of communicating with my kids. My relationship with my parents has changed because of it. With my sister has changed because of it. And, you know, to be able to share, share these practices and see it happen for other people, I mean, that, that to me is everything.

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It changes their lives and then there's a ripple effect and it changes other people's lives and, you know, it just continues. Well, I would say congratulations on bringing awareness through the trilogy series. Right. Thank you. Yeah, as well. And it's really an important.

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So for my listeners, we'll have links to all of these books, on, the show notes below. So look down below and you'll see the links to Amazon. We'll also, have a link, to Cynthia's website, which I, I think it's just cynthiakane.com correct?

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Yeah. Yeah. So that's C-Y-N T-H-I A K-A-N-E.com. just go there. You can learn more about her. And there's she, like I said, she is the founder of the Cane Intentional Communication Institute.

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So if you have interest in hiring her services to work inside of your company, do, jot her note through the website, get in touch with her or look her up on LinkedIn. We'll have a link to her LinkedIn profile as well. Cynthia, pleasure having you on to speak about the trilogy series and to give us a little bit of the fundamentals of what we need to know about communicating and our negative self talk and really how to not be afraid of meditation.

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So for those listeners who aren't doing it, you know, give it a try. But you got to give it a try more than once. It's something that you, you, you just have to go sit and be with it and don't think it's weird because ultimately in the end it's going to be just fine.

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It's just you kind of have to let it seep in a little bit. So namaste to you. Thank you, Cynthia, again for being on the show a second time. Again for all of my listeners, the podcast that's out about her other book is now out there and it's podcast 215, the Pause Principle.

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Definitely check that out because that was a wonderful interview as well. Thanks so much. Namaste to you. Have a beautiful day.