Well, welcome back to Inside Personal Growth. This is Greg voisen the host of Inside Personal Growth. And joining me from Delaware. He just said cold called Delaware is Dr. Anton Grosz. Very spells that a little different grosz is it? And we're going to be talking about a new book that has just come out handbook for a new consciousness.

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Speaker 1
You can see it on his bookshelf in the back. He also has other books I'm going to ask you to look in the show notes below to actually go to his website to check him out. He's got a great website where you can learn more. This is the next steps in Hook Human, all of it. Evolution. Anton, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 2
Well, thank you very much for the invite, Greg It's my great pleasure to.

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Speaker 1
Well, like I told my listeners, he should have been a radio voice. He said he did some singing. I'm going to tell him a little bit about you is the author, I said of this new book and many other books. So go check him out at his website. He is a practitioner of phenomenology, The science of experiential reality, and his work bridges the often divided worlds of science and religion, with a compelling invitation to discover the universal I am that connects us all.

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Speaker 1
And I think this is what he and I will be going back and forth on today. In his book, he presents what he calls new consciousness, the awareness that, well, each human being is unique, that I am, that you feel inside the I am, that I feel inside is the same universal presence that we're all one as and puts it beautifully.

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Speaker 1
We are not separate leaves. We are all one on the same tree. I like that because that makes it easy to understand what makes his work particularly fascinating is Anton's practical approach. His handbook isn't theoretical or philosophical. It's a hands on guide designed for devout believer and the dogmatic atheist and everyone in between. So this mind blowing experience is unique design games and imaginative puzzles.

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Speaker 1
He guides readers to personally experience the universe. One is in the safety and privacy of their own minds and whatever their current beliefs. Well, welcome to the show. Welcome to Inside Personal Growth. That is a unique way because you are giving people mind games to play and games in the book.

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Speaker 2
Yes. Thank you very much. Yes, Greg. And you've said it really, really beautifully. Truthfully, I am am not saying when I talk about I call it new consciousness, but the idea that we are all one, that the I am feeling we each have or existence is the exact universe. So one this that's nothing new that's been said by teachers and masters for thousands thousands of years of all graves in the Bible right look is a 17 to 21 and 17 where 1721 pardon me, where Jesus says the kingdom of God is within you.

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Speaker 2
This is the concept of the I am John 14 six where where Jesus says, I am the way. Now you know that he didn't speak English, He spoke Aramaic, so that it was translated into Latin and then into English. But it could have also been translated. I am is the way. So this has been taught and you know, and native indigenous people of all of all parts of the world, the Buddha, the the ancient Indian, all are teaching this.

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Speaker 2
But what I have done differently as a phenomenon is to realize that someone talking about something or hearing, hearing someone speak or reading a book cannot teach you a bad thing. It can teach you about that thing. The only way that you will learn it and know it for yourself is to experience it from within. And so what I have done is to create these games, these mind exercises that cause you to think, to experience and come up with an aha moment and oh my God, yes, that must be.

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Speaker 2
And do know it for yourself. Not because you read it, not because you have heard someone speak about it, but because you have experienced it for yourself.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, it's a it's really a good way. And for my readers, like it's not a big long book to read and it's and it's a fun book to, to read. Now, one of the things that got you here, Anton, is basically in it. We're going way back in history. But I think for people who have had a near-death experience, it usually fundamentally transforms you from, you know, you had this profoundly atheist background that you were brought up in with.

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Speaker 1
You said parents didn't believe in anything to dedicate.

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Speaker 2
No, no, no drag. Excuse me for interrupting you. They believed in science.

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Speaker 1
Oh, okay. Okay.

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Speaker 2
They did not they did not believe in anything that regarded faith or beliefs that would. Oh, my goodness. That would.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So but you if you could take the listeners into that tunnel light and share what you discovered that was so profound that really set you on this path for the rest of your life, I mean.

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Speaker 2
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. This is Jamie. I mean, I would say I grew up in a family that I called devout atheists. Just to give you a background that when I'm six years, oh, my grandfather sits me on his knee and he says, God is the sum total of man's ignorance. We used to think the sun was God. Then we learned how the sun works.

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Speaker 2
Something that sun isn't God anymore. Someday we're going to know how everything works. And then there'll be no need for God at all. And of course, when your grandfather tells you that and he's the one who wins all the arguments in the family, God is the loudest. You believe him. And so this is how I grew up. I never had any religious training of any sort.

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Speaker 2
You know, when I would argue with my friends in school, my my dear friend Baruch, he said, But how would you know not to kill people if God didn't tell you? I hope I just know that's wrong. You don't need God. In any event, that's how I grew up. Became an agnostic only because it wasn't work or arguing with my high school friends and my fraternity brothers in college.

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Speaker 2
And then at age 37, I had a long, long time ago Now I was 37 due to lack of oxygen. And I don't mean holding my breath, but I mean having nothing inside at all. I had an experience of feeling my body shake like I was in an earthquake and then feel like I would drowning in a flood and then feel like I was burning up in a fire.

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Speaker 2
And I later learned from reading the Tibetan Book of the Dead that according to the Tibetans, are the first three steps of leaving the body separating from the earth. I mean, the water element and the fire home and the next thing you separate from is the air element, which I didn't have any inside of me for a number of minutes.

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Speaker 2
The only thing connecting me to my body was something they called the ether element, which sounds pretty nebulous to me. In any event, I saw a little light at the top of my head and it started getting bigger and bigger. Oh, this must be what Raymond Moody spoke about in this experience to the people going through a tunnel into light.

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Speaker 2
And suddenly I became bigger and I came out the other end into the brightest light I could possibly imagine. Brighter than anything I could dream existed. And even more amazing was an awareness of more dimensions than just three dimensions and time. Are you familiar with the book Flatland?

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Speaker 1
Greg And Familiar, but I haven't read it.

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Speaker 2
The book recommended the small book. It was written in the 1800s, actually, of a of a culture of people who lived in only two dimensions. They only lived on surfaces. They were squares or circles or triangles or whatever. And one day this one fellow sees a circle that is larger than a small organ and turned into a sphere.

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Speaker 2
And he's never seen anything like that before. And he tries to explain it to his friends when he comes out and they say, well, point to it where it was. And he said it was. And he points to, Oh, but they say, you're not pointing you're pointing naught, because in his world there were only two dimensions you could not point in the third.

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Speaker 2
That's what I wrote on the other side of the tunnel in the right dimensions I could not point to because they did not exist in my reality, but they were there. I knew they were there. At this point. I was suddenly able to breathe air and I rolled around. I started rolling on the floor as if I were in an epileptic fit.

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Speaker 2
Anybody who would have seen me would have thought so, but in my mind it was a certain peace and calm and I felt wires being pulled from my head like an old telephone switchboard, and I am rolling around unable to control myself. The wires get put back in and I feel them being put into different places. And when I could finally control my body, the first thing I was I'm on my knees, My hands are folded right in front of me and I say, I am reborn.

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Speaker 2
I am reborn in God. And I was so embarrassed to hear me say that, but I knew it was true.

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Speaker 1
Well, you know, you you had been how do you want to say conditioned through your family to believe otherwise because you didn't have an experience, which is part what this book is about. You're giving people experiences through these these they can draw a tree exercise, they can do these exercises, they do these kind of things inside your book.

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Speaker 1
Now, you know, you've kind of distilled these decades of study into seven key points about what you call new consciousness. Let's just call it consciousness. With the first being, I am that we each feel it actually the same universe of consciousness that fills kind of the entire universe. Now, for many people listening out there that maybe were a lot like you before you were reborn here, they may say, That's a pretty bold claim, dude.

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Speaker 1
You know, our entire sense is our individuality. How do you come to this realization? What evidence either scientific or experiential supports this?

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Speaker 2
Well, is the experience toward core. For starters.

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Speaker 1
The one you just talked about.

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Speaker 2
That I just talked about, I was aware. And look, each one of us says if I say great, describe me or ask any of your viewers, tell me about yourself. They start off, Well, I am. And then you would add the adjectives that make you different. Dude, I entered Melfi male all young, black, white, rich, poor, blah, blah, blah.

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Speaker 2
All these different things that make you unique. And yes, each one of us, it is unique because how it would be if we were all the same. But when you go back to and dismiss those individual vanities, then the experience of I am of pure existing is the same. And we go through that. We go through that in the book, starting with, well, you know, that very study of of looking at yourself in the mirror and saying, what do I have in common with that person?

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Speaker 2
And you, you know that other than the fact that if you have a plan that is right handed back and forth, you know, with of the mirror, you are exactly the same as that person. All of the adjectives are the same. And so if that person says I am, you know exactly what they mean. Now the next step and not something we have in the book is take a picture of yourself as a younger person and look at that.

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Speaker 2
There was a time when that was the person you saw in the mirror and you would have had the exact same experience that you just did. Looking at yourself today in the mirror. But that's no longer the case. You know, things that person didn't. You may know the person you love. Now you have training that that child didn't have when you went to school.

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Speaker 2
All the work experiences everything. But if you were looking in the mirror back at that point in time, be feeling I exist. I am is exactly the same. And this is the point that each one of us, when you get rid of the adjective, we are the same. Unfortunately, we tend today to think that people who are different from us are somehow, in many cases, bad people.

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Speaker 1
Well, it's a thought, Anton. It's the descriptors that we used. In other words, when we go through this world, the way in which we define who, let's just say you are me looking at you through the screen is this gentleman with big bushy eyebrows. And he's, you know, he's 80 something years old and he's written some books and he's intelligent and he's been to school.

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Speaker 1
And so those are our definers. But that isn't the time, as you said.

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Speaker 2
That's right.

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Speaker 1
So you you bridge for our listeners quantum physics and spirituality in a really fascinating way. You suggest that what religion calls God and what science calls dark energy might actually be the same thing.

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Speaker 2
What you're saying there, Greg, Actually, if I may interrupt, I am not ringing that as that original concept that has been said when if if, you know, there is a oneness in the universe and religion calls it by one name, we call it God science, there's a one is in the universe. We call it dark energy. Well, it doesn't matter where you call it.

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Speaker 2
And it's there is both sides are agreeing in a fact that there is a oneness in the universe. No.

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Speaker 1
How did but how did your degree look? You went to school to study phenomenology and you got a Ph.D. and and obviously you learned things that many people that are listening to this show have not learned. All right. So if you would, how did this help you see these connections that most people miss? Because you have taken your own unique path?

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Speaker 1
You know, the path of Anton. Not everybody has chosen your path. The people out there want to learn and they want to learn how to evolve into this next step in human evolution and your degree and knowledge and experience through everything you've been through can help them. How did that help you see things differently?

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Speaker 2
It's it's it's a fascinating thing, Greg, is it's nothing has to change out there. It's how we look at it. Let's say, for example, that you and I and your and all your viewers, let's go out and look at the stars one night. Okay? Right, Right. And but just for kicks, let's go back to the year 1500. All right.

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Speaker 2
And here we are. We're out there. Is there any question, Greg, in there? That's right. This question in your mind that Earth is not the center of the universe. It's obvious that it is just look at there. In one night we can see every single star rotating around Earth during the day, the sun rotates around, the moon rotates around it.

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Speaker 2
Seeing is believing. Greg even Zion's know that so is obvious Earth is the center of the universe. Then this guy Copernicus, he comes up with this crazy idea that earth rotates. Oh, my card. Nothing has really changed. But an awareness of this means that everything means different. We we understand it from a different perspective. And that's the whole point.

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Speaker 2
That's the whole point. When I when I wrote my first book, Letters to a Dying Friend, which was based a Western version of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, I did interviews like this and people would call in and they'd say, you know, I had a near-death experience like you did. But everybody told me I was crazy. I hadn't experienced it, so I'd forgotten about it.

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Speaker 2
Would that have affected my life if they had if I had taken it seriously? Yes, of course it would. And it still can. If you go back and say, I can't let other people, you know, tell me what I experienced, can I tell you one other story, if I may? Back from my college days, I was not a very good student, very stoic.

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Speaker 2
I went in in mathematics, switched to economics because calculus blew my mind. I couldn't for it, but at least it was working anyway. One day I'm walking through campus and it's a big sign that says psychology tests Subjects needed $5 or $5. Back in the 1960s, that was a lot of money. So I went to take the test.

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Speaker 2
And these were theses, you know, writers who needed numbers for their papers. The very last room I went into, there were four other students already in there, and there were five desks set up paneled with green and red lights and buttons underneath. And I got in, came in, and they said, Oh, the fifth person is here, We can get started.

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Speaker 2
And there was a professor in the corner who said, All right, I'm going to push a button in here. Each of you will be in front of a panel and it will be either a green light or a red light will light up. I knew push the button underneath it and it's going to be the same for everybody and it's going to get faster and faster until somebody misses.

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Speaker 2
And then we're going to stop. So we want to see how long we can go. So I got behind my panel and everybody behind me starts with a green light and I push green button and a red light. I push the red and back and forth, back and forth. At one point, the buzzer goes off and the professor said, Oh, that's it, somebody missed.

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Speaker 2
And the guy at the end, the student answered, Did somebody push the red button? I said, I did. He said, Well, you made a mistake. Whether it was green, mine was green. I didn't know. No, mine was red. And he said, not well, I'm mine with green. And he said they were going to be the same for everybody.

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Speaker 2
And the young woman on the other side of me said mine was also green and the other person next to her said, Mine was green. I said, I'm sorry. I don't know what happened, but mine was red. And I put red and, you know, Well, you're wrong. I said, You called me a liar. And I said, Yes, I okay.

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Speaker 2
Well, we went and started to go at each other and I suddenly felt my arms grabbed from behind. And with the professor, he said, Easy, sir. You said this was not a test for how fast you can react. It was a test for how you handle peer pressure. You did very, very well. Here is your shift. Take this.

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Speaker 1
Here's your five, five, five.

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Speaker 2
You go collect your five bucks from the front desk. All right, Well, let me. Oh, I was told no way that was tick and I forgot about that completely until I had my near-death experience. And then I realized, I know what I experience. I know I felt different dimensions. I know I had both a great experience, a light brighter than anything I know I go out and experience the wonders.

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Speaker 2
Nobody can tell me what I know that I did not have that experience. I knew somebody like that. A woman who later turned out to be a chano, a June bird. I wrote a number of books. She said, What drew the little girl she knew who would who was calling about to call on the phone or what the in the mailbox.

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Speaker 2
And her mother said, Stop doing that, June. Father Anthony thinks we're crazy enough already, you know, but if you know something and it's true for you, then that's true. The problem today is, you know, not getting into anything political or anything like that. But we have so many people who are saying things from a place of, shall we say, untruth.

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Speaker 2
Right. But believe them because they said it, you know, and that's what made it no, you know what you've experienced and that's what matters.

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Speaker 1
Well, that was a good experiment. They put you in and you've had a lot of these in your lifetime. You've been through lots of education, very well-educated man and written many books. But you've also spent years as a hospice chaplain helping people at the end of their life. So not many people out there can say that. So how did that work inform your understanding of consciousness?

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Speaker 1
Because, you know, I've been at the side of many people who've passed, and I remember doing some of this work myself, but not as a chaplain, just as somebody who would be there to help somebody make a transition. What did the dying patients teach you about the I am that we all share, in your estimation?

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Speaker 2
Well, it's very interesting what they what they taught me, what they taught me was not to fear that once you have a glimpse of the other side, such as I did to, you know, back many years ago when I would be in my thirties, there is you're not afraid of leaving your body again. You may not want to leave the people you love behind.

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Speaker 2
You may enjoy the life you have, but there is nothing to fear. One continues the existence that the feeling of I am continues because this is the feeling of, shall we say, God. Now, when I say that word. By the way, there are so many ways to say that word. All right? That that that had, by the way, always driven me bonkers how somebody a group of people who believe in a oneness that they call God will fight with a group of people who believe in the wonders that they call on or shiva or whatever, just it's a different name.

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Speaker 2
So it's a different God. But they fight with it over. How silly is that? Right? You know, and that's the thing that humanity has to learn that we are one. This is what I am calling the new consciousness, the awareness that we may be different on the outside, but when we get inside all the way to the very, very core, inside all those adjectives that make us different, we are that oneness.

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Speaker 2
And as I say, that is what science is beginning to discover.

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Speaker 1
Well, I agree with you, but one of the things you write in the book that some of these listeners that are listening going to have a difficult time probably grasping. And that's it's you say you write that if you live in the new conscious that hurting another is hurting yourself. This just isn't ethical principles you suggest it's literally true because we're all manifestations of the same consciousness of the world.

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Speaker 1
So how would you respond to someone who says, Hey, Anton, that sounds like bullshit. Give me some proof that that's true? Because I and I agree with what you're saying. I don't disagree. I'm saying for the naysayers, what would you say to them?

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Speaker 2
Well, you know, how can I prove it? I can Greg, be cool. Who is out there? According this is what science has been saying for generations, for hundreds of years. Measure it. If you can measure it, then you can prove it. But the experience we have, we live it between two worlds, an outer world which can be measured but has no meaning by itself, and an inner world that has meaning but cannot be measured.

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Speaker 2
Look, you and I can walk down the street. If we were to walk across past each other, you know, a week ago, two weeks ago, we'd walk right past each other. I mean, physically, you'd be exactly the same person. I'd meet the same person. But the me, the measurement of our faces, our expression would be the same, but the meaning behind it would not be there.

00:31:25:21 - 00:31:59:13
Speaker 2
But now that we've spoken with each other, now that we know who each other, if we walk down the street. Hey, Greg, how are you? We would know there's a reason to stop. That reason is not measurable. You walk down the street, you'll turn and walk into a particular house. Someone else will walk right past that house. The measurement of that house is the same for all people, but the meaning to that house is different.

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Speaker 2
You live there, they don't. And this is the place. This is the uniqueness. The outer world can be measured. No meaning. The inner world had meaning but cannot be measured. The eye I experience, we are the ones who live between the two and bring them together. Look, we in the same way that universal consciousness created the physical world from nothing.

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Speaker 2
If you say or from the turn waves into particles. We do that all the time. You think, Oh my God, what do I want for dinner? And you envision these different meals and then something hits, and half an hour later you're eating this delicious meal that exists in the physical world. But the you only got of a little while ago, no work of art from Van Gogh painting to taggers that spraying on the wall exists without someone thinking of it first and turning it into a physical thing.

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Speaker 2
All right. And why do we do something? Because we want to. Mm. Why did. Why would the universe created not because God's mother said, Hey, get up off the couch, you crazy kid. Go out and do something. It was a case of wanting to a feeling, a desire to turn waves into particles to see what would happen if let there be light.

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Speaker 2
Oh, my goodness. By the way, science is now saying that's the first thing that happened when the universe was created. There was a little light. Gee, that sounds an awful lot like what the Bible says, too.

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Speaker 1
Well, look, you are a remarkable man, a remarkable teacher. But you've also studied even more remarkable people like Dolly Lama and Rinpoche and Yogananda Louts, say, and Jesus and others and all these diverse spiritual paths. Right. There's so many out there, but there's still all one. And in other words, there's all kinds of ways up the mountain, right, to get to the top.

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Speaker 1
Many different paths. I like what you say about the tree. We're all leaves on the tree, the same thing. What's the common thread and what did all of point you to? It's now pointing you to in this handbook that you've written in this handbook for new consciousness. I mean, look, there's people out there that listen to the show that are Muslims, that are Catholics, that are Jewish, that are or whatever they are the label, the label.

00:35:09:12 - 00:35:31:12
Speaker 1
But they all are. I am they're all following a different pathway toward this ascendance into the consciousness. But so what is what is unique in this handbook that you think is going to be able to bring all of these together?

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Speaker 2
Right. Right. This is the beauty of it. You you hit it on the head. There are so many ways. There is nothing I love better than to sit at the foot of someone who has a different path to oneness than one that I've already been on. I love different ways of learning, of different ways of doing things. The fact that someone does something doesn't make them bad, doesn't make them wrong.

00:36:04:00 - 00:36:33:06
Speaker 2
It makes them different. And that can make it interesting. I have a story the the drew of truth in in the Handbook about a circular forest. Perfectly circular forest with a castle in the middle of the and a strong room in the middle of a castle and a chest in the middle of the strong and a jewel of true drew a truth in the middle.

00:36:33:15 - 00:36:59:04
Speaker 2
And you can reach it from any direction around the outside of that forest compared to circular forest. And at the same distance. But there are some people who say this is the way to go because a guy went in this way a couple of thousand years ago. So this is the only way you can enter it. Well, yeah, Your guy went in there and he did it right.

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Speaker 2
And if you want to follow it. But other people went in different ways and they found and you can go in and find it just by searching on your own and looking for the different ways of finding the one or not wrong. The only person you have to fear is the person who says my way is the only way.

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Speaker 1
My way or the highway.

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Speaker 2
And they used to say, Well, if it should be the highway, because I did my way or. Bang, bang, bang.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly.

00:37:37:15 - 00:38:11:10
Speaker 2
Well, this was I came up with a concept. An idea? What if, as a little baby, you're an infant, you're flying with your family in an airplane across Australia, and the airplane crashes and everybody dies except for you. The native indigenous people, they would have heard the plane go across. They would have heard that plane crash. They would have gone to see what happened.

00:38:11:10 - 00:38:45:15
Speaker 2
And if they found a tiny little infant alive in the wreckage and everyone else died, they wouldn't leave you there. They would have taken you in and raised you. Right now the status quo and look where you re now. You would be a completely different person. You would speak a different language. You would eat different foods. You would have a different concept of what God is.

00:38:46:09 - 00:39:16:06
Speaker 2
You might not be able to drive a car, but you could probably run faster and longer than you can now. All right. Wouldn't make you a bad person or a wrong person. It does mean that you would be different than you are now, but your feeling I am would be exactly the same, even though all the adjectives around you would be different.

00:39:16:10 - 00:39:21:06
Speaker 2
That's why I love different pairs.

00:39:21:21 - 00:39:40:23
Speaker 1
Well, you know, you you've taken your own journey. Everybody's got their own journey, is what you're saying. And we're you're going to learn in the end. We all are one. Now, you have said to me personally and to the listeners, you're now 83 years old and kind of feels 85.

00:39:40:23 - 00:39:41:16
Speaker 2
Thank you.

00:39:41:16 - 00:40:10:08
Speaker 1
85. Okay. I'm on my two years and this is this is a culminating work. You know, it's a kind of a life synthesis. If humanity does reach this tipping point where enough people shift into new consciousness, what the world, in your estimation, look like, if you would paint a picture of this perpetual peace, universal understanding that you believe is possible?

00:40:11:16 - 00:41:00:04
Speaker 2
Well, if we did that and thank you for answering God, it's nice to have a good view of what could happen, you know, instead of looking out at the world and saying, Oh my God, you know, there is that old Chinese curse. May you live in interesting times, or do we live in interesting times? Yes. But if people recognize a new consciousness, if they recognize we're all connected and that our differences are for the joy of of experiencing, not something to be afraid of, then we will use our skills and talents and abilities for the good of all people, not just for us.

00:41:00:04 - 00:41:48:09
Speaker 2
So there will not be some person, one person who has more money than, 52% of all the other people alive. Right. Do you realize how much money could be given out to how many places around the world so that people did not starve so that people could have health care, could care for them, still keep things that would be done that allow joy to be the prime feeling that people have rather than fear or hunger, earth giving and all of this.

00:41:48:24 - 00:42:08:09
Speaker 2
All right. But humanity is making it hard for her to do its job. Maybe Sounds silly, but it struck me, you know, if there were a mosquito on your shoulder, you and it was stinging you, you probably brush it off, right?

00:42:09:00 - 00:42:11:19
Speaker 1
It right.

00:42:11:19 - 00:42:55:04
Speaker 2
You know, I can't help thinking that humanity right now is a mosquito on earth shoulder. The planet is alive, Gaia. All right. We know the planet lives. What other species is putting plastics into the oceans and killing off the coral? What other species is putting gases into the atmosphere and making it hard to breathe? We talk about, you know, politics being separate now, but.

00:42:55:09 - 00:43:22:01
Speaker 2
All right, let's talk about whether. All right. When I had my near-death experience and I went through and came out at one point, I went back into space and I saw her in the little inyang and I had an awareness that everything in the universe is balance, everything. Guess what? Look at our climate. What's going on now? All right.

00:43:22:07 - 00:43:55:05
Speaker 2
We have extreme heat and extreme cold, extreme drought and extreme floods, things that are happening that it's almost like Earth saying, hey, humans, get it together. You know, you're the ones who are creating the problem. You realize that there are earthquakes in places that never had earthquakes before. And you know why they're doing fracking in there? You know what fracking is?

00:43:55:05 - 00:44:26:14
Speaker 2
Yeah, fracking is going in and taking oil out of the air. Out of the ground. Right. All right. Well, gee whiz, what if the oil were in there? So that the tectonic plates could move nicely and smoothly, just like we oil, you know, the motors in our cars and and we're taking out all that oil, so now it can't move smoothly?

00:44:26:15 - 00:44:58:11
Speaker 1
Well, I agree that we're looking for Anton were were seeking and all the people that will buy this book and for everybody click below to get a copy of the book. They're seekers. They're interested in all of these topics. They're attempting to live a life of peace and tranquility in a place where there's a pinnacle of complexity, which at this particular point feels like an earthquake underneath their feet, right?

00:44:59:10 - 00:45:31:10
Speaker 1
That movement that's occurring, the shifting that's occurring, I hope on the other side for you and I, at our age, there's a rebalancing, that there is a rebalancing that will occur that will include things like Bucky Fuller used to say. He used to say, hey, if we would spend money on and human Re versus weaponry. Right. So you look at what the Pentagon spends on just creating more weapons to be more destructive.

00:45:31:20 - 00:46:03:03
Speaker 1
If we would take that same trillions of dollars and put it into human ness, meaning, just like you said, helping feed more people, helping do the things to clean up the planet, help all of these areas which we've created imbalance. I don't disagree with you one bit that we have created this imbalance. The one thing that will create the balance that you've talked so eloquently about this morning is the shift in consciousness for people to understand the I am.

00:46:03:21 - 00:46:26:01
Speaker 1
That is where the awakening will occur, that will create the largest wave of movement, the largest vibration that could occur on this planet, to actually awaken the souls that are living here, to be more conscious about what it is that they're doing that's affecting all of these things. You talking about.

00:46:26:01 - 00:46:59:11
Speaker 2
So factors to look at. I discussed the fact it may sound silly, but what if there were eyes on the end of the fingers? Yeah. And they looked out and they saw that and they said, You stupid coming from all the way over there, take that match and they scratch their thumb and the thumb got infected and the infection went into the hand and back up into the fingers and the fingers got infected because they had the thumb without realizing that they were connected.

00:47:00:04 - 00:47:06:15
Speaker 2
All right. Would the fingers have attacked the thumb? If they knew it? They were going to? Well, I don't think so.

00:47:06:20 - 00:47:08:02
Speaker 1
No. No.

00:47:08:02 - 00:47:29:02
Speaker 2
Shouldn't humanity be at least as smart as our fingers should? If we knew when we realized that if we when we realize that we are all connected on the inside, we will realize that hurting another is hurting ourselves.

00:47:29:02 - 00:48:05:19
Speaker 1
Right. I agree with you. We got to have self-compassion. So much of this. This transformation is inner work and you can actually do this inner work and experience it through trying some of the games and the things that that Anton has created in here. So, Anton, I want to thank you for being on Inside Personal Growth today, sharing your wisdom, your knowledge, your your life experiences that allows people to really better understand how important what you speak about is.

00:48:06:03 - 00:48:32:08
Speaker 1
And so go to his website, just Anton GROSS. And that isn't spelled Grow Access, that's spelled g, r0sz. There you'll learn about this book and other books that Anton has written. And thank you so much. No mistake to you and thanks for your presence this morning and speaking with our audience. We appreciate it so much.

00:48:32:15 - 00:48:49:17
Speaker 2
Well, thank you very much, Greg. Thank you for all you are doing to bring us together and make this a beautiful world. And I leave you with God is. I am, you are and we are one.

00:48:51:04 - 00:48:56:05
Speaker 1
And and so will be and and so be it. Amen.

00:48:56:24 - 00:48:57:12
Speaker 2
Amen.