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Speaker 1
Well, for all my listeners, welcome back to Inside Personal Growth. This is Greg Voisen the host of the podcast and Mory Fontanez's is joining us on the other side and not that far away in Santa Barbara. Maury, how are you?

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Speaker 2
Hi, Greg. I'm great, thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

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Speaker 1
Well, it's a pleasure having you on the show. And if you would hold up your book, because I want our listeners to see this new book. It's called Higher Self Reclaiming the Power of Your Intuition.

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Speaker 2
Yes.

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Speaker 1
And today, Mory is going to help guide you on things you can do and who you can become to actually find that higher intuition. And so you might want to know why her? Why is she qualified to do this? Well, I'm going to tell you why she's qualified to do this. I'm really thrilled to have her on the show.

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Speaker 1
Maury is an intuitive wife and leadership guide. Author and speaker has spent the last two decades helping some of the world's most recognized faces. And Fortune 500 companies, CEOs, celebrities and public figures navigate the most challenging moments and reconnect with their true selves. And she's really done this work. So before stepping into this transformative work, Moore has spent nearly 20 years as a high powered corporate strategist and crisis management expert, counseling global brands and shift sitting in boardrooms with some of the business most influential leaders.

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Speaker 1
She was on the fast track to become a chief executive, promoted ten times before her 30th birthday when something profound happened. Her higher self began calling to her with such force that she couldn't ignore it anymore and work it into that. When we talk her new book, Higher Self Reclaiming the Power of Your Intuition is a profound roadmap for anyone who feels disconnected with themselves.

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Speaker 1
Trapped by limiting beliefs are caught and exhausted cycles of seeking external validation through her own journey and her stories of those she's guided. She's going to show us how to recognize the voice of the higher self, heal the wounds that keep us small, and step into the most empowered, authentic version of ourselves. She's had many, many people that she's coast.

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Speaker 1
She said, What makes this conversation to me most important is that Maureen understands the real cost of living, disconnected from ourselves, the exhaustion of performing, the pain of outsourcing our power, the emptiness of success without familial fulfillment. And more importantly, she knows the way back. Maury, welcome to Inside Personal Growth Rag.

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Speaker 2
What an introduction. If you are looking to be an agent, please let me know.

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Speaker 1
That was.

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Speaker 2
Amazing. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1
Well, you know, it's true. And you know, I've only had the PDF of the book and now you're going to really send me something that I can feel that has your energy on it, which is even going to be greater because I love that. You know, look, I just interviewed earlier Bill Barnett from Stanford University this morning, and Bill was the guy who wrote Designing Your Life, and he talks about design and he talks this new book that he and Dave wrote is about meaning in your life, how to find meaning in your life.

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Speaker 1
And we had this great conversation in this podcast. And what I want to ask you is, look, this has been a while since your intuitive voice spoke to you. Why now? Why the release of this? Because one thing I know, everybody who's listening in this world or living in today, their loneliness is more than ever. The disconnect to who we are frequently is greater and greater as a result of us being bombarded with just negative news and things that are going on.

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Speaker 1
And so our attention is being distracted. And so that sweet little voice inside is having a hard time tuning in and being heard by people. Why? I know you wrote the book, too, to let people find that voice. But what advice would you have for people today who are listening right now just going, Well, I'm just so tired of fighting, you know?

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Speaker 2
The first thing I would say is, you're not alone. There is an epidemic, to your point right now of exhaustion and my perspective is that we are in a crisis of disconnection because we truly don't trust ourselves anymore. We have been so deeply conditioned to look externally not only for validation, but for wisdom, for answers. You know, part of what I've been talking about on this book tour is the idea of just the self-help industry and how I'm sort of saying not self-help, self trust, because what we need more than ever to fill our life force back up and not feel so exhausted and disconnected is this inherent belief that we ourselves hold the answers

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Speaker 2
that we're seeking and that there is this beautiful, ever sustaining evergreen source of knowing and dignity and love within us that I want people to get curious about, because your relationship with that part of you is the most fulfilling relationship you'll have in your life. It is the part that once you're connected to it, you realize, Oh, if I'm connected to this, I'm connected to all consciousness, which means I'm never alone and I'm never really lost.

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Speaker 2
The answers are there for me. If I can learn how to quiet the noise of fear and conditioning and anxiety and learn to trust this inherently divine knowing part of myself and also see it as a really practical, pragmatic part of you. Just like any other sense, your sense of taste or smell or sight. It's a sense that has been villainized that, you know, has had, I say as a PR person, a terrible PR campaign against it for the last few centuries.

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Speaker 2
But it is there and we all have it and we all use it. And so I think if you're tired right now, what I hope is that whatever is flickering in you, when you hear me talk about this part of you, you get curious about that flicker because that's your answer.

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Speaker 1
Well, talk with us. You know, you say this happened in a boardroom, but my sense about you is that this happened way before then and you got glimmers along the way that your path, you know, you have an interesting background. Tell readers about the little girl who blossomed into who she is today to actually say, you know, this is the path I took.

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Speaker 1
And along the way, there was pain. Mm hmm. And there was suffering and arts. Now our choice to choose, Hey, we're all going to have some pain, but we can choose not to have the suffering that goes along with it. Mm hmm. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Well, I mean, I, like many, many Americans, have immigrant parents. My parents fled the Iranian Revolution, actually, right before the revolution and came to the U.S. They went to New Mexico, where my mom became pregnant with me. And, you know, they had a nine year old child. They were not expecting a baby in the midst of all this chaos.

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Speaker 2
And so there I was. I showed up. And, you know, I what I say is that I was born into chaos. And and for me, what that looked like was, you know, a family unit that was just trying to figure out how to survive here in a new country. While my mom was just thousands of miles away from her entire support system and feeling like she wasn't sure how she was ever going to be connected to them.

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Speaker 2
So out of that desperation, she decided to take me and my older sister to Iran to make sure that they could meet me when I was a baby. And when we landed, the Iran Iraq war broke out and we got stuck in a war zone for about a year. And look, I believe that we're all conscious beings, obviously, from the very moment, even before we take our first breath.

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Speaker 2
And as a part of that, what that means is that all the experiences that happen to you, even if it's when you're six months old, become a part of the way you're shaped. Because we take in other people's energy. And I think the energy that I was.

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Speaker 1
I say it's it's your DNA.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
You know, it's literally it's the tapestry. You know, if you weave through all the things that Mori has experienced, including the New Mexico and then being caught in the war and all of those experience, those sights, those sounds, those feelings, those touches, the whatever, they make up, the individual of which you have become.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. And other people's feelings, especially the emotions of the people who are in charge of your care, you know, the ones you love and who love you. And so, you know, I think my shaping really comes from deeply sensing into my mom.

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Speaker 1
And her.

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Speaker 2
Fear, her anxiety, her disconnect, and deciding at a very, very young age. I was going to be the fixer. I was going to be her companion. I was going to make sure she was happy and, you know, never feeling lonely. I could feel her feelings before. I think she even consciously was aware of them. And so I started to build this strategy of fixing people who were in distress without them even asking for it, which is a really important thing.

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Speaker 2
I learned, by the way, later in life is that that can go from being very empathetic to being your kryptonite. When you take in how people feel and then you decide it's your job to fix it, it becomes quite a burden.

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Speaker 1
So totally, yeah, I know so.

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Speaker 2
Much of that that that really led into without realizing it, the career I went into because crisis and chaos and other people's chaos and complicated emotions was such a comfort zone for me. It felt so comfortable. In fact, I say when things are calm, that's when I freak out because it's so unfamiliar to me.

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Speaker 1
But that's what fulfilled you emotionally. That's Yeah, I know, because I've lived the life like that myself. So I recognize that in me. And you know, it's this really giving, caring, compassionate person. And then sometimes you and I, we get drained. It's like, Oh, it's not like we wanted reciprocity, but we just wanted freedom from not being drug into that all the time.

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Speaker 1
But our calling was to do it. So you start with the foundation. You describe the higher self as this deepest and truest part of us, our souls guide. But for many listeners, this might feel a little abstract. Okay. Or even mystical, right? I know I wrote a book on intuition myself, and so I understand when you write about something like this, you have to define it.

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Speaker 1
Well, can you break down what the higher self actually is to Marie? It might be different to some of the listeners and how it's different from our everyday thinking mind to our emotional self or our emotional self, I should say. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, I really want to try and simplify this because I think it can get very nuanced and complicated. But I will say this, you know, this illusion that we are solitary individual energies is an illusion. We all come from a collective consciousness source, whatever you want to call it. But we come from, you know, a collective entity.

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Speaker 2
We are part of that entity. And in choosing this very difficult mission to come down here to this planet, to grow by having tangible life experiences. The way I see it is that our soul sort of has two parts to it. There's the part that remains a part of that larger collective web that greater consciousness that is aligned to a higher frequency of love and of knowing of dignity and of connection, true connection that, you know, it's not in that illusion, that it's separate, it's part of something bigger.

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Speaker 2
And then a part of your spirit kind of leaves that forgets about that in order to embody in a human body and have human experiences. And we have to forget so that we can have those day to day experiences that cause pain, that then cause us to heal. And from all of that, what's the point? Growth. That is the entire reason we choose to come here is to keep having tangible experiences and continue to grow.

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Speaker 2
And our higher self is still a part of that material, right? We're still connected. We're the same material. So it is the frequency. I almost think about it like a part of you is standing on a mountaintop and another part of you is down in the forest navigating its way through the trees and is getting lost in the trees and is afraid of the dark and afraid of the noises it hears.

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Speaker 2
But the higher self can see the entire picture. And is what I say in the book, sending you guidance through your intuition. It's the language of your higher self is your intuition. But you know.

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Speaker 1
Well, but I think not the and sorry to interrupt, but I just I had this thought about how our listeners myself, you know, we all get we get stuck in what the Buddhist calls the Maya, right. It's the heaviness of this. You know, you sit down in the forest versus up on the top. And I was at a SRF service.

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Speaker 1
I'm a Self-Realization devotee. And the monk said something that was quite interesting. You know, you think of yoga as this connection with God. That's the one that that's what it is. But there's physical yoga and spiritual yoga. Oh, so spiritual yoga is this prana energy that's moving up through the spine and through the top of the scalp to top of the forehead to actually make this connection with that top of the mountain, let's just call it that.

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Speaker 1
Seth, What you said, the unfortunate factor is, is we get disconnected at some point thinking it's separate, right? The duality of it. Right. And in your case, what I'm asking is what would you tell our listeners so that they they don't disconnect as much, that they can find it all the time and know that it's just there. It's just like it's just like reaching for a pen or a pencil.

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Speaker 1
It's right here, you know, you can reach it. It's not that far away.

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Speaker 2
Well, I think that's where I was going with it, is to connect it back to your intuition, because I do think that's your connection to it, is to understand that when you just have a knowing about something that is a form of communication from this frequency and to pay attention to that knowing and to begin to trust that that knowing is worthy of your attention.

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Speaker 2
Because what we believe is that other people's advice and expertise is more worthy than our own inner knowing. So the relationship to higher self comes from reframing that belief system to inherent internal value to value around your knowing versus putting people on a pedestal who are the guru or the author or the guide or the teacher and believing that somehow their knowing is better than yours.

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Speaker 2
So I think that that's really the path back to the connection. But, you know, I have this high school history teacher that I write about modern world history, and she's always tell us if you believe it, then it's true. And she would say that as a way to describe why people would go on these, you know, crusades and wars and battles to to, you know, continue to spread their belief that because they believed genuinely in their heart that it was truly part of their purpose.

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Speaker 2
But I take that to be even more macro and matter than that, meaning that we human beings create everything out of our belief, right? I mean, what was, you know, the calculator before it was a thought. It had to be a thought and be a belief. I just said calculator because I was staring at one on my desk.

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Speaker 2
But it's really important, I think, for us to understand how much power we hold in our thought and in our beliefs. And once we understand that, apply that belief to ourselves and to this higher frequency within us. And the best way you can do that is evidence. Like if I ask you right now, what is a time and all of you are listening where you just had a knowing, you just knew it dropped in and then I would ask you what happened?

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Speaker 2
What happened when you listened? What changed in your life? Or how did you notice that you got closer to whatever growth you really needed to to have that right? There is evidence and our brains love evidence. We like tangible data. That's data. Your intuition is giving you data. If you just think back to when you listened to it.

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Speaker 2
So I really believe that your connection to this part of you has to do with belief. And cultivating belief is about looking for evidence and starting to see that it's really a practical part of your life.

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Speaker 1
Well, it's like I think what I heard you say is and I've heard this before from other friends, it's when your belief becomes a knowing, right? So the reality is, I think we live in a world of MSU making stuff up and then we start to live what we made up. But that's not usually the true us because that's being counted.

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Speaker 1
When you have a knowing, as you've referred to several times, that knowing needs to be the guide. It's the true, it's the big T. You know, Byron Katie used to say to people on stage, is it true? Is it really true? Is is is your husband really that bad? You know? Well, no, maybe not. Maybe we don't need to get a divorce or whatever.

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Speaker 1
So when they relook at and change the perspective, it changes because they start to question the belief, Right. So now, when that belief becomes, as you said, this knowing this intuition, this greater power, and, you know, you you said something. You said that it's that the intuition is the language of the soul. Okay? It's our way to higher self speaks to us.

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Speaker 1
We live in a world that's taught us to value logic and data and other people's opinions, as you just said, and overthinking. How do our listeners learn to distinguish between the higher self that big T, the knowing and the wisdom and the noise of fear, conditioning or the ego? Because those are the things that I know we've got.

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Speaker 1
We've all got an ego. But the reality is you're going to have it all your life. And the question is, is how are you working with it?

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Speaker 2
It's a great question. And I think discernment is the most important tool in your toolbox as you're cultivating your relationship with your higher self and with your intuition. And I'll tell you, it shows up in three really clear ways intuition and fear. Let's just put them along the spectrum. This is the way I teach it, right? So when you talk about the noise, that noise is coming from lived experiences that create survival strategies.

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Speaker 2
They go, S.O.S., you're going to get hurt again. And there's that fear voice or that anxious voice that's replaying an old story, not because it's evil, because it's trying to help you survive. And so that's really important because we don't want to villainize any part of us. That's what it's doing, but it has signatures to it when it shows up, your fear voice, your anxiety voice shows up in your body, it shows up in your energy and it shows up in your emotions.

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Speaker 2
And I can tell you how in a second your intuition does the same things. So when you are trying to discern between a fear or anxious thought versus an intuitive thought, the first thing to pay attention to is how do I feel in my body right now? When this thought shows up? Let's say that you have to make a decision tomorrow about something monumental.

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Speaker 2
When you get a thought about that decision, how's your body feeling If your body is feeling contracted tight, heavy heart racing, that is a sign that your fear or your anxiety are informing that thought when your body feels calm or centered. Some people say they get butterflies in their stomach. The idea of gut feeling coming from intuition is because for centuries people have felt something in the pit of their stomach when they know something.

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Speaker 2
But get curious about the difference between how fear feels in your body and then how intuition feels. But the most the most clear discernment is actually in your emotions. Intuition is emotionally neutral. It's like a period at the end of a sentence when an intuitive thought comes in. It's not filling you with any emotion whatsoever. Now your fear might pick up the intuitive thought and add an emotion to it.

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Speaker 2
So watch it because fear is very smart in that within 5 seconds. But when it originally drops in, when you're really connected to your intuitive knowing it is very flat, it's very clear. So when you have a thought, check in with yourself, Am I scared? Am I anxious? Am I angry? Am I sad? Fear has an emotional signature.

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Speaker 2
Intuition does not. So when even if it's not good news, like I say in the book, I knew I needed to get divorced when I was eight months pregnant with my second child. It wasn't good news, but it dropped in so factually that it was like, Oh, what is that? What is that knowing feeling right there that doesn't fill me with dread.

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Speaker 2
That's the difference right there.

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Speaker 1
That is important for people to understand the clarity of what you've just said. You know that knowing you introduced the concept in the book and I talked about this just 3 minutes ago, but I didn't talk about in the sense a core word that deep belief that were neither not enough, because that's what the ego says. We just talked about the ego or too much.

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Speaker 1
And this resonates really deeply with a lot of people, especially the not enough, because the not enough part is the part that I think many people battle most of their lives. Okay, My mom and dad wanted me to be a doctor and now I'm an actress or whatever, whatever it was, right? Or I was supposed to do this and I didn't do that.

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Speaker 1
And how do these core wounds form in childhood or young adulthood? And more importantly, how do they continue to run our lives decades later without us even realizing it?

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Speaker 2
I have had such an honor of coaching hundreds and hundreds of people, and I am telling you right now one of the more unifying factors of all of humanity is this belief that somehow, somewhere we're not enough. Even the I'm too much comes from I'm not enough. And you know, I think that it's important when you do this work on yourself to understand that this isn't about blame.

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Speaker 2
It's not about blaming the people who raised you. This isn't about creating good guys and bad guys. It's about really objectively seeing your shaping so that you can get to know yourself better. And so that core I'm not enough can come from something as innocuous as you running and excited and mom and Dad being tired or stressed out repeatedly telling you just too much, you know, or we need you to be reading instead of going out and making a mess or whatever it is that you're excited about not being met with total openness because your parents are human and they're not totally present in the moment.

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Speaker 2
And so because that causes a feeling of rejection in our little selves and we don't have the wisdom to distance ourselves from it and be objective, we have to create a reason why so that the world still feels safe. The only reason that we can point to is ourselves. So anything that causes that kind of pain of rejection can then result in.

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Speaker 2
Well, there must be something wrong with me. If only I were more quiet. If only I got better grades, if only because now sometimes our parents used to and this is from my parents generation. Try and motivate through comparison. Well, then that makes it even worse, right? Because for me, it was my older sister. Look at how much she's studying.

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Speaker 2
Or look at Johnny down the street. You know, he did X, Y, or Z then that I'm not enough chasm grows even further because now I'm not like my sister. So that's the innocuous. And then it goes all the way to true harm and neglect and abuse, right? There are people who have experienced true harm in the hands of those that were supposed to keep them safe.

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Speaker 2
And again, it isn't safe to believe that the people who are raising you are unsafe because then you think you're not going to survive. The safest bet is to believe there's something wrong with me. So if only I could fix what's not enough, then I will get the love or the acceptance that I need. And I am just here to say that part of us lives within every single one of us.

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Speaker 2
Even if you've gone to therapy for a decade, there's still that self that's trapped and I'm not enough. And if you're not aware of it, it creates the noise you and I were just talking about. It's the one that fills your head with the anxious, fearful thought when you need to take a bet on yourself. And it's the one that is drowning out your intuition because it believes I have to replay this thought to keep you alive.

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Speaker 2
So I'm going to do my job.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And if anybody out there who has worked with hypnotherapist like I have, you recognize that the subconscious mind, you can reprogram that. I have a beautiful hypnotherapist here in Del Mar who is just amazing at getting me to, you know, reprogram. Right. And so you got to understand the power of that. It it just does what it's told, right?

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Speaker 1
It just is. So you can break free from a lot of this by doing your own affirmations. You don't even have to go to a hypnotherapist and really just kind of repeat those affirmations because you'll then begin to start to believe it. Now, this next question is for those high achievers who are probably using hypnotherapist to help them achieve even more.

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Speaker 1
And this is where we talk about purpose, because your book does that. You've worked with so many of them in Fortune 500 companies and and CEOs and celebrities, and they're all kind of listed at your website and are at the top in their field, at the top right. But as Marshall Goldsmith said to me, it's like, when is enough, enough?

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Speaker 1
You know, you could be the CEO of three companies have five different houses, have, you know, $2 billion in the bank. And you're saying, I got to do more, Right, right, right. And it's because you're so programed, you're so into it. That's what happens. He coaches people just like you do who are having the same issue. So what's the difference between doing a job and living your purpose?

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Speaker 1
Because so many of these people could be focused more on doing more purposeful work, yet aren't because they don't believe they've made it enough? Yeah, just not enough.

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Speaker 2
I love this question. I really believe that we have confused a job with purpose for far too long. Your job, hopefully, is the way you make money through your purpose. At the very best case scenario, that is what your job is. Your purpose is your entire reason for existing in this timeline, in the identity you're in, and what that means is so much of your purpose and your preparedness to do your purpose is totally organic.

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Speaker 2
It doesn't require a lot of your consciousness because the natural skill sets, you have things that just come to you easily and the things that make you fulfilled when you do them. Those two things together, that's your purpose, whatever that is. For me, it was naturally problem solving. Like I said, very easy for me to see the forest through the trees and it fulfilled me to watch people see that for themselves.

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Speaker 2
So that started to inform me around my purpose. But I live that purpose as a mother with the way I parent my teenagers. I live that purpose as a community member with the, you know, nonprofits that I work with. I live that purpose, obviously, in my career. So I think it's really important for us not to believe that purpose is either reserved for those who, you know, give up their lives and go become monks on a mountaintop, or that you have to be a billionaire to be able to live your purpose.

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Speaker 2
You are your purpose. That is why you are here. You cannot extricate yourself from it. It's about awareness. What is it that I'm good at? What fulfills me? That's your purpose. How am I doing it? In little ways and big ways every day. And I think that the CEOs I've seen who feel detached from their purpose is because they've bought into the scarcity mindset that they can't have both things, that they can't live this purposeful life and succeed to the extent they want to succeed.

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Speaker 2
There's nothing wrong with being a high achiever. There's nothing wrong with wanting to accumulate success and wealth. But we have been taught that those things for some reason are in cross-currents. And then leaders will trade in their values, their integrity, their purpose, because they think that that's what they need to do to succeed. And that's when I see them the most disconnected from that.

00;31;50;03 - 00;31;51;09
Speaker 2
True part of their spirit.

00;31;52;05 - 00;32;21;07
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's the little voice inside that I think no matter where they got it from it and I can't tell you I know where mine came from, but it's like, So what did you do for me today? Right? Meaning like, Hey, you came to work, you're here. And it's like, okay, what did I do for the company? The question should not be, what did we do today?

00;32;21;24 - 00;32;51;26
Speaker 1
It should be, What did I receive as a result of being here that made me a better person for everybody else? That works in this company as well. Yeah. So in your book, you take us through this beautiful three part journey. You call it becoming disconnected. The crisis of disconnection and becoming reconnected. So when someone realizes they're living disconnected, like many people we're talking about now and look, you said at the beginning of this, we're not alone.

00;32;52;09 - 00;33;20;07
Speaker 1
We've all been through this. But when they become disconnect from their higher self, maybe they're they're in let's say maybe they're reading your book or listening to this conversation thinking, That's me, that's me. So where do they start and what's the first step on the path? And I originally formulated this question as far as saying the path back, it isn't about the path back.

00;33;20;29 - 00;33;31;26
Speaker 1
You are this already right? You just need to claim it. You don't have to go back anywhere. You just need to step into it and discover it. It's there.

00;33;32;08 - 00;33;35;29
Speaker 2
Yeah, you just have to remember, right? Literally, you've just forgotten.

00;33;37;08 - 00;33;37;22
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;33;37;28 - 00;34;02;16
Speaker 2
Look, I mean. Oh, my gosh. I want you to pay attention to the parts of you that are suffering. I want you to pay attention so that you can start to have the awareness. I don't. Do I have to live this way? Is suffering a part of is it a you know, to your point about Byron, Katie, I love this question.

00;34;02;21 - 00;34;28;12
Speaker 2
Do you know this to be 100% true? Do you know what it to be? 100% true that suffering is required for you to succeed or for you to be in this family or in this relationship or to get love? And I really think that question cracks you open, because I don't think that we have ever been given the dignity truly to stop and say, do I deserve to somehow live without suffering?

00;34;28;29 - 00;34;53;22
Speaker 2
Do I deserve to have internal peace in my life? And I think that what will happen if you ask yourself that question and really take the space to listen is you'll hear this part of your soul, the one that says, I didn't come here to suffer. I came here to express myself in the greatest capacity possible. And whatever that part feels like to you, get curious about that part.

00;34;53;22 - 00;35;14;27
Speaker 2
We are far too curious about our fear voice. We are far too curious about what anxiety is doing and why we have it and what it thinks. But we're not that curious about this knowing self, this eternal part. So when you start to feel it. And by the way, every interview I've done, I have heard just hearing us talk about it sparks this part of you.

00;35;15;04 - 00;35;41;01
Speaker 2
So whatever is sparking right now as you're listening, get curious about that spark. Who is that part of you? What does that part want? What does that part believe? You know really well what the limited self believes, What does the limitless self-belief about yourself, that curiosity is genuinely your pathway to remembering who you are, really, and seeing the rest of it as just an illusion of survival that you've been in.

00;35;42;09 - 00;36;13;03
Speaker 1
And out and trusting it? Yeah, see, the thing is, is that you've been using the other side so long that when this comes along, it's not familiar. You've got to get comfortable with it. You've got to get comfortable with that aspect of your being, which is telling you you are enough. Yes. And so what I'm here to say is that Morrie is telling you you are enough, I'm telling you.

00;36;13;03 - 00;36;40;13
Speaker 1
But here comes the question more. You know, you met Ria, who predicted your divorce and told you that you were meant to teach people how to come back to themselves. Yeah. Okay. That moment of receiving validation from someone else about your past seemed ironic, given your teachings about not outsourcing our power. Yeah. What we're talking about right now.

00;36;41;04 - 00;37;10;07
Speaker 1
How do you balance learning from mentors and guides with trusting your own intuition? And I really should reframe this. How do you think people outside listening to this podcast should balance the learning from mentors and guides so that they can trust this wisdom? Because in reality we can read all the books we want, listen to all the podcasts we want, go to all the workshops we want, do all the things we want to do.

00;37;10;07 - 00;37;31;14
Speaker 1
In the end, when we walk away, we should be fulfilled and knowing that we are whole. Yeah. And that we can live this way. And yet frequently we leave those events, those podcasts, those books thinking the same thing we thought before because we've just been nudged but not nudged enough. Hmm.

00;37;32;16 - 00;37;48;18
Speaker 2
I dedicated my book to Ra'jah because what Ra'jah really did for me was hold up a mirror. She didn't tell me what, right? I thought. I mean, she's also you'll see in the book she's a psychic, a medium. And I didn't believe in any of that when I first met her, so I thought she was crazy the first time she told me these things.

00;37;48;18 - 00;38;07;22
Speaker 2
And then stuff started happening and I started to realize, okay, this is valid. But what Ra'jah did for me and what I hope to do for people is not tell you this is the path you need to do. One, then two, then three. What Ra'jah did for me is hold up a mirror and say, Wow, look at yourself.

00;38;08;11 - 00;38;32;11
Speaker 2
Look at your ability to make good decisions. Look at your knowing. Do you see how intuitive you are? Let's review all the things that you were right about as you knew them, and that mirror helped me remember. So I think that the way you balance it is ask yourself, am I trying to craft myself in the image of this coach or mentor or guru?

00;38;32;11 - 00;38;58;11
Speaker 2
Is that what they want, by the way? Because there's plenty of people out there with egos big enough that that is what they desire. Or is this coach or mentor or guide showing me how to find myself again and craft myself in the image of my greatest dignity, my greatest knowing? That's how you tell the difference. But I do think you need people sometimes to come knock, knock, remind you, Hey, wake up.

00;38;58;23 - 00;39;17;13
Speaker 2
You are not living in the total truth of what you're capable of. And I think that those people are priceless. I think it's the ones who then want to make you follow their exact way of doing things that you should be wary of, because then that's not really about guiding you back to yourself.

00;39;18;08 - 00;39;46;26
Speaker 1
Well, for all my listeners, you're going to go to our website because we put a link below and she is going to be want one of the transformational coaches that will provide you with that kind of guidance. Not telling you, but allowing you to find it. Now, can you talk to the listeners about the relationship between trust flow and achieving what we truly desire?

00;39;48;00 - 00;40;10;26
Speaker 1
I think in Finding your higher Self, these are three aspects that we need to get in alignment with, the biggest one probably being trust, the second one being flow, and then achieving what we truly desire. You know, and you've gone through this many times in your life, so you certainly can speak about it.

00;40;10;26 - 00;40;32;00
Speaker 2
Yeah, you know, I think trust is the hardest one because it's really hard to believe in things you can't see. And my asking you to trust your higher self is really Herculean for a lot of people because there's not a lot of physical evidence that it even exists. So that is why I say, look at your life for evidence.

00;40;32;10 - 00;40;57;13
Speaker 2
Find evidence in your life for this aspect that has been guiding you and that has been right. And you know, the words I try to live by for myself is, you know, you either can choose to trust or you can choose to suffer and believe that you have control over this outcome. Which one, which one has worked in the past and which one feels better and which one feels worse.

00;40;57;20 - 00;41;24;11
Speaker 2
And for me, this total trust I have in my higher self, in my own abilities feels more empowering and fulfilling and less desperate and depressed and anxious. So I choose trust because I have learned over time that I deserve not to be weighed down by all of those negative feelings. And as you trust, what I say is look for evidence.

00;41;24;13 - 00;41;46;26
Speaker 2
Keep looking for evidence in the future as you're trusting what comes to you when you let go and trust versus when you hold on really tightly or you keep, you know, how you keep working that thing over in your brain over and over and over again because you think the solutions going to show up doesn't actually ever show up when you're in that anxious loop or does something else open up when you trust and you let go.

00;41;46;26 - 00;42;07;20
Speaker 2
So that's the hardest part. But I think it's about looking for the evidence flow is about remaining in that state of receiving what is coming. When you're in the trust state of noticing, of clocking it, you know, keeping track of, oh, wow, that opportunity came in. I met that really interesting person. I like the way I showed up.

00;42;07;20 - 00;42;37;22
Speaker 2
I like the way I felt when I was on that stage, giving that talk, whatever it is, feeling that flow and locking that into your cells, recognizing that as a real experience. But when I'm in flow, this is what it feels like. And when you're able to lock that in and experientially understand what it is, you're more likely to achieve your desires because your whole system recognizes that frequency, it recognizes flow, it recognizes trust, and it says, Now I'm going to detect more of the same.

00;42;38;13 - 00;42;59;12
Speaker 2
And by the, you know, vise versa is true. So many of us are living in the contraction, the fear that it's not possible. And that's what life is reflecting back to us. So that's why I talk about trust and flow and achieving your desires in that order, because it basically raises your life force, It raises your frequency. And at that frequency, the more is available to you.

00;42;59;12 - 00;43;03;05
Speaker 2
And as you start to believe that more is available, you start to make it happen.

00;43;04;12 - 00;43;42;03
Speaker 1
Well, they think something that we haven't talked about yet, but one of your final chapters and I'm in it called Self Love, you know, I personally beat myself up for years about not being enough, right? So it's really kind of hard to love yourself when you're telling yourself you're not enough. And then what happens is you get angry because sometimes you can't ever achieve what you've set out.

00;43;42;03 - 00;44;07;23
Speaker 1
It's like you're reaching for something and it's like it just keeps moving further and further away. Maybe because either the goal was to match or whatever. So it's it's hard for one to get into this space of accepting what is going in the flow and trusting because they're mistrusting, they think they're in control. You're never in control any one of us out there is never in control.

00;44;08;02 - 00;44;38;29
Speaker 1
Right. The other thing is, if you're waiting for someone else in your life to make you happy, you're going to wait forever. Happiness is an inside job. So this final joy, that chapter is entitled Emanating Love. After this entire journey of healing, reconnecting, and embodying our high herself. As you say, it all comes back to love. Now, let's define this not romantic love necessarily, but something deeper, right?

00;44;39;10 - 00;45;04;16
Speaker 1
And not certain. A lot of people know what that deeper love is to me. I'll just call it pure, unlimited love. Pure, unlimited love. Like Dr. Stephen Post says. Can you talk with us about what it means to emanate love from your higher self and how this changes everything in our life?

00;45;04;16 - 00;45;24;15
Speaker 2
It all comes back to understanding your inherent worth. And what I tell people to do is visualize a child that you love in your life right now can be a niece or a nephew or daughter or son, whatever. And just think about the way you feel about them. And then I want you to picture yourself at that same age.

00;45;25;25 - 00;45;56;11
Speaker 2
Do you feel that same feeling towards that version of yourself? If not, there's your end, there's your pathway, and right there is learning to look at that version of yourself with the same adoration. Right now I have a 16 year old girl. I had a lot of shame at 16 because of the decisions I made, and I am really learning that when I look at her with such are that what I need is to look at 16 year old me with the same or that's what love emanating love from the inside out is.

00;45;56;11 - 00;46;14;20
Speaker 2
Because when I can give myself, especially the version of myself, I'm ashamed of that much compassion. It becomes easier to give it to my self right now at 45. So it's really about reclaiming these parts of you that you've sort of siphoned off and decided you're not going to look at and look at them again through the same eyes.

00;46;14;20 - 00;46;31;00
Speaker 2
You would look at a child that you adore. And if you can't do that, then I want you to get curious why? Why can't I find this love for myself in there? Is it because it was never modeled for me? Is it because it wasn't given to me then? Those are your answers. But there's still more beyond that.

00;46;31;00 - 00;46;56;15
Speaker 2
When you can do that, it becomes easier to emanate love towards other people. We judge others because we judge ourselves. We shame others because we hold shame within ourselves and we fear others because we fear ourselves. So when you say it's an inside job, the entire thing is an inside job. The way we relate to one another absolutely is tied to the way we relate to ourselves.

00;46;57;07 - 00;47;14;29
Speaker 2
So look for the parts of yourself that you're rejecting. Those are the parts that need your attention so that you can actually embody love towards other people. Because if you're rejecting a part of yourself, you're never actually open to fully accepting others.

00;47;14;29 - 00;47;52;27
Speaker 1
The SO well said, and I'll say this and hopefully it resonates with you. Much of the reason I think our older self, when it looks back at the younger self and says did I emanate or have this love for me? And as you said at the beginning here, many people go through many different experiences. You articulated the issue with your parents in New Mexico and the chaos and the fact that sometimes parents aren't so nice to their kids.

00;47;52;27 - 00;48;31;16
Speaker 1
So what I think goes on is this thing called adverse childhood experiences. Mm hmm. Okay. And I have a doctor that I work with that I created an app for Aces. And you know, those aces, if you answer those questions, you recognize that the reason people become obese or because to protect themselves from being hurt or whatever, or because they were molested or whatever happened to them, or they go to drinking or drugs or alcohol, pretty serious, right?

00;48;31;26 - 00;48;58;09
Speaker 1
And those are hard situations to get out of. But I want to say to any listeners that are experiencing that today, more is higher Self book is an opportunity for you to reflect on what it is that you love about yourself, not what you have to be afraid of. Okay? And I know that fear drives a lot of people's decisions, but love should more drive your decision, right?

00;48;58;23 - 00;49;42;07
Speaker 1
Versus fear. I'm afraid I won't have enough money. What have you said? I love myself and I know I can have enough no matter what I do. Okay, so these things are important. So as we close this interview, I want to close on this note. What would you say to someone listening right now who feels that pull that whisper from a higher self but hasn't connected, but is terrified, absolutely terrified to make the change and what wisdom do you have for someone standing at the crossroads where you Moreh once stood?

00;49;42;07 - 00;50;11;00
Speaker 2
I'll tell you that your intuition whispers until it shouts and then it creates a crisis in your life to get your attention. So I think if you're standing at that crossroad like I did many times in my life and you feel the poll, I think what's important to ask yourself is, do I have the courage now to step into this belief of myself or do I want to wait until I'm shoved into it?

00;50;11;00 - 00;50;39;07
Speaker 2
Because the stepping in provides you more space and grace and it can become a dance between you and your intuition, your fear. You have more space to learn about yourself and oop, that was a fear of thought. I'm not going to follow it. Okay? This is what intuition feels like. You can do it through baby steps. It's like buying yourself the time to learn how to walk versus ignoring and ignoring and ignoring until there's an explosion.

00;50;39;07 - 00;51;04;25
Speaker 2
You have to clean up, right? Whether that's a divorce that comes out of nowhere, whatever it looks like for you know that if your soul desires a change because you're not living in the truth of your spirit, you're not living your most expanded self, you are somehow contracting or quieting yourself because you're subscribing to limiting beliefs your soul will not abide by.

00;51;04;25 - 00;51;29;03
Speaker 2
That forever is going to want to fully express itself. And so you can either choose to work with it and do it in this beautiful dance where you will be really taken care of. Or you can choose to learn through bigger, more dramatic circumstances. You'll still be okay. You'll still be okay. But maybe the suffering will be a little bit more.

00;51;30;11 - 00;52;05;14
Speaker 1
What you I would say to my listeners, what you don't want to allow happen live in this state so long that the manifest energy that you've created manifest in some type of this bliss hyphen ese. So whether it turns into cancer, whether you are afraid, whatever it might be, really look at what you're doing to yourself because no one else is doing it to you.

00;52;06;06 - 00;52;35;25
Speaker 1
Okay? You are 100% responsible for your own actions. And what I'm going to say is get this book Higher Self. Go to Morey's website. We can have a link below imo. R. Y. f0n. T. A n easy dot com. You can learn more. She talks about from crisis to clarity the questions. It's a great website. Go check her out on YouTube as well.

00;52;36;10 - 00;53;06;26
Speaker 1
Obviously Check out this podcast which will be promoting for her and this new book. And if you're interested in actually hiring to come speak at your company, it's there. You can look at a video that she's done, which is awesome. Actually. Maury's method, you can to that how your crisis can create your awakening. Everything she's been talking about and she says this isn't self-help itself trust.

00;53;06;26 - 00;53;21;12
Speaker 1
So that's really the key. This is not self-help itself. Trust. Maury, I've appreciated any last words before we depart this, before we go on to bigger and better things, you and I.

00;53;21;27 - 00;53;42;17
Speaker 2
Greg, Thank you for having me and also for the work you do. I think it's really important that these conversations exist in every corner of the world. And I think the way you're having these conversations are really meeting this underserved community. That might be a little cynical about the things we talk about, but I think you do it in a way and you invite people on in a way that can help people meet them where they're at.

00;53;42;17 - 00;53;46;04
Speaker 2
And so I've just been really grateful to be here with you and to get to know you.

00;53;46;04 - 00;54;03;02
Speaker 1
Likewise, I have been as well, and I am going to be referring you some other great authors and people that I know love your work. Namaste to you. Thank you for being on inside personal Growth and spending this time with me and the thousands of listeners that are still listening at this point. Thanks so much more.

00;54;03;17 - 00;54;07;05
Speaker 2
Thank you.

00;54;07;05 - 00;54;23;10
Speaker 1
Well, for all my listeners, welcome back to Inside Personal Growth. This is Greg voicing the host of the podcast. And Maury Fontana's is joining us on the other side and not that far away in Santa Barbara. Maury, how are you?

00;54;23;17 - 00;54;27;00
Speaker 2
Hi, Greg. I'm great. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

00;54;27;12 - 00;54;40;05
Speaker 1
Well, it's a pleasure having you on the show. And if you would hold up your book, because I want our listeners to see this new book. It's called Higher Self Reclaiming the Power of Your Intuition.

00;54;40;09 - 00;54;40;25
Speaker 2
Yes.

00;54;40;26 - 00;55;05;13
Speaker 1
And today, Maury is going to help guide you on things you can do and who you can become to actually find that higher intuition. And so you might want to know why her? Why is she qualified to do this? Well, I'm going to tell you why she's qualified to do this. I'm really thrilled to have her on the show.

00;55;06;08 - 00;55;58;07
Speaker 1
Maury is an intuitive life and leadership guide. Author and speaker has spent the last two decades helping some of the world's most recognized faces. And Fortune 500 companies, CEOs, celebrities and public figures navigate the most challenging moments and reconnect with their true ourselves. And she's really done this work. So before stepping into this transformative work, Moore has spent nearly 20 years as a high powered corporate strategist and crisis management expert, counseling global brands and shift sitting in boardrooms with some of the business most influential leaders, she was on the fast track to become a chief executive, promoted ten times before her 35th birthday when something profound happened, her higher self began calling to her with

00;55;58;07 - 00;56;22;03
Speaker 1
such force that she couldn't ignore it anymore and work get into that when we top her new book, Higher Self Reclaiming the Power of Your Intuition is a profound roadmap for anyone who feels disconnected with themselves. Trapped by limiting beliefs are caught in the exhausted cycles of seeking external validation through her own journey and her stories of those.

00;56;22;03 - 00;56;57;13
Speaker 1
She's got it. She's going to show us how to recognize the voice of the higher self, heal the wounds that keep us small, and step into the most empowered, authentic version of ourselves. She's had many, many people that she's coached, she said. What makes this conversation to me most important is that Maureen understands the real cost of living, disconnected from ourselves, the exhaustion of performing, the pain of outsourcing our power, the emptiness of success without familial fulfillment.

00;56;57;13 - 00;57;03;16
Speaker 1
And more importantly, she knows the way back more a welcome to Inside Personal Growth.

00;57;03;26 - 00;57;12;27
Speaker 2
Greg, what an introduction. If you are looking to be an agent, please let me know that. Was amazing. Thank you so much.

00;57;13;02 - 00;57;50;03
Speaker 1
Well, you know, it's true. And you know, I've only had the PDF of the book and now you're going to really send me something that I can feel that has your energy on it, which is even going to be greater because I love that. You know, look, I just interviewed earlier Bill Barnett from Stanford University this morning, and Bill was the guy who wrote Designing Your Life, and he talks about design and he talks at this new book that he and Dave wrote is about meaning in your life, how to find meaning in your life.

00;57;51;23 - 00;58;30;25
Speaker 1
And we had this great conversation in this podcast. And what I want to ask you is, look, this has been a while since your intuitive voice spoke to you. Why now? Why the release of this? Because one thing I know, everybody who's listening in this world we're living in today, their loneliness is more than ever. The disconnect to who we are frequently is greater and greater as a result of us being bombarded with just negative news and things that are going on.

00;58;30;25 - 00;58;57;23
Speaker 1
And so our attention is being distracted. And so that sweet little voice inside is having a hard time tuning in and being heard by people. Why? I know you wrote the book too, to let people find out. VOICE But what advice would you have for people today who are listening right now just going, Well, I'm just so tired of fighting.

00;58;57;23 - 00;59;52;09
Speaker 2
You know, the first thing I would say is, you're not alone. There is an epidemic, to your point right now of exhaustion and my perspective is that we are in a crisis of disconnection because we truly don't trust ourselves anymore. We have been so deeply conditioned to look externally not only for validation but for wisdom, for answers. You know, part of what I've been talking about on this book tour is the idea of just the self-help industry and how I'm sort of saying not self-help, self trust, because what we need more than ever to fill our life force back up and not feel so exhausted and disconnected is this inherent belief that we ourselves hold

00;59;52;09 - 01;00;26;01
Speaker 2
the answers that we're seeking and that there is this beautiful, ever sustaining evergreen source of knowing and dignity and love within us that I want people to get curious about, because your relationship with that part of you is the most fulfilling relationship you'll have in your life. It is the part that once you're connected to it, you realize, Oh, if I'm connected to this, I'm connected to all consciousness, which means I'm never alone and I'm never really lost.

01;00;26;11 - 01;00;52;23
Speaker 2
The answers are there for me. If I can learn how to quiet the noise of fear and conditioning and anxiety and learn to trust this inherently divine knowing part of myself and also see it as a really practical, pragmatic part of you, just like any other sense, your sense of taste or smell or sight. It's a sense that has been villainized that, you know, has had.

01;00;52;23 - 01;01;12;09
Speaker 2
I say as a PR person, a terrible PR campaign against it for the last few centuries. But it is there and we all have it and we all use it. And so I think if you're tired right now, what I hope is that whatever is flickering in you, when you hear me talk about this part of you, you get curious about that flicker because that's your answer.

01;01;13;15 - 01;01;39;07
Speaker 1
Well, talk with us. You know, you say this happened in a board room, but my sense about you is that this happened way before then and you got glimmers along the way that your path, you know, you have an interesting background. Tell readers about the little girl who blossomed, who she is today to actually say, you know, this is the path I took.

01;01;39;27 - 01;01;57;03
Speaker 1
And along the way there was pain. Mm hmm. And there was suffering and arts. Now our choice to choose, Hey, we're all going to have some pain, but we can choose not to have the suffering that goes along with it. Mm hmm. Yeah.

01;01;57;23 - 01;02;18;18
Speaker 2
Well, I mean, I, like many, many Americans, have immigrant parents. My parents fled the Iranian Revolution, actually, right before the revolution and came to the U.S. They went to New Mexico, where my mom became with me. And, you know, they had a nine year old child. They were not expecting a baby in the midst of all this chaos.

01;02;18;18 - 01;02;47;13
Speaker 2
And so there I was. I showed up and, you know, I what I is that I was born into chaos. And and for me, what that looked like was, you know, a family unit that was just trying to figure out how to survive here in a new country. While my mom was just thousands of miles away from her entire support system and feeling like she wasn't sure how she was ever going to be connected to them.

01;02;47;13 - 01;03;07;16
Speaker 2
So out of that desperation, she decided to take me and my older sister to Iran to make sure that they could meet me when I was a baby. And when we landed, the Iran Iraq war broke out and we got stuck in a war zone for about a year. And look, I believe that we're all conscious beings, obviously, from the very moment even before we take our first breath.

01;03;07;26 - 01;03;19;22
Speaker 2
And as a part of that, what that means is that all the experiences that happen to you, even if it's when you're six months old, become a part of the way you're shaped. Because we take in other people's energy. And I think the energy that I say.

01;03;19;24 - 01;03;42;01
Speaker 1
It's it's your DNA. Yeah. You know, it's yeah, it's the tapestry. You know, if you weave through all the things that Mori has experienced, including the New Mexico and then being caught in the war and all of those experience, those sites, those sounds, those feelings, those touches, the whatever, they make up, the individual of which you have become.

01;03;42;12 - 01;04;09;01
Speaker 2
Yeah. And other people's feelings, especially the emotions of the people who are in charge of your care, you know, the ones you love and who love you. And so, you know, I think my shaping really comes from deeply sensing into my mom and fear her anxiety, her disconnect, and deciding at a very, very young age. I was going to be the fixer.

01;04;09;08 - 01;04;30;07
Speaker 2
I was going to be her companion. I was going to make sure she was happy and, you know, never feeling lonely. I could feel her feelings before. I think she even consciously was aware of them. And so I started to build this strategy of fixing people who were, you know, in distress without them even asking for it, which is a really important thing.

01;04;30;07 - 01;04;41;11
Speaker 2
I learned, by the way, later in life is that that can go from being very empathetic to being your kryptonite when you take in how people feel and then you decide it's your job to fix it, it becomes quite a burden.

01;04;41;11 - 01;04;43;22
Speaker 1
So totally and I know so.

01;04;43;22 - 01;05;05;08
Speaker 2
Much of that that really led into, without realizing it, the career I went into because crisis and chaos and other people's chaos and complicated emotions was such a comfort zone for me. It felt so comfortable. In fact, I say when things are calm, that's when I freak out because it's so unfamiliar to me.

01;05;05;08 - 01;05;37;28
Speaker 1
But that's what fulfilled you emotionally. That's what I know, because I've lived a life like that myself. So I recognize that in me. And, you know, it's this really giving, caring, compassion, that person. And then sometimes you and I, we get drained. It's like, oh, it's not like we wanted reciprocity, but we just wanted freedom from not being drug into that all the time that our calling was to do it.

01;05;38;12 - 01;06;04;08
Speaker 1
So you start with the foundation. You describe the higher self as this deepest and truest part of us, our souls guide. But for many listeners, this might feel a little abstract. Okay. Or even mystical. Great. I know I wrote a book on intuition myself, and so I understand when you write about something like this, you have to define it.

01;06;04;08 - 01;06;23;07
Speaker 1
Well, can you break down what the higher self actually is to Marie? It might be different to some of the listeners and how it's different from our everyday thinking mind to our emotional self or our emotional self actions. Yeah.

01;06;23;16 - 01;06;49;24
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, I really want to try and simplify this because I think it can get very nuanced and complicated. But I will say this, you know, this illusion that we are solitary individual energies is an illusion. We all come from a collective consciousness source, whatever you want to call it, but we come from you a collective entity.

01;06;49;24 - 01;07;24;00
Speaker 2
We are part of that entity. And in choosing this very difficult mission to come down here to this planet, to grow by having tangible life experiences. The way I see it is that our soul sort of has two parts to it. There's the part that remains a part of that larger collective web, that greater consciousness that is aligned to a higher frequency of love and of knowing of dignity and of connection, true connection that, you know, it's not in that illusion that that it's separate, it's part of something bigger.

01;07;24;13 - 01;07;51;09
Speaker 2
And then a part of your spirit kind of leaves that forgets about that in order to embody in a human body and have human experiences. And we have to forget so that we can have those day to day experiences that cause pain, that then cause us to heal. And from all of that, what's the point? Growth. That is the entire reason we choose to come here is to keep having tangible experiences and continue to grow.

01;07;51;20 - 01;08;17;10
Speaker 2
And our higher self is still a part of that material, right? We're still connected. We're the same material. So it is the frequency. Almost. Think about it like a part of you is standing on a mountaintop and another part of you is down in the forest, navigating its way through the trees and is getting lost in the trees and is afraid of the dark and afraid of the noises it hears.

01;08;17;10 - 01;08;29;15
Speaker 2
But the higher self can see the entire picture. And is what I say in the book, sending you guidance through your intuition. It's the language of your higher self is your intuition. But you know.

01;08;29;15 - 01;09;01;27
Speaker 1
Well, but I think not to and sorry to interrupt, but I just I had this thought about how our listeners myself. You know, we all get we get stuck in what the Buddhist calls the Maya, right? It's the heaviness of verse. You know, you sit down in the forest versus up on the top. You know, I was at a SRF serve assignment Self-Realization devotee, and the monk said something that was quite interesting.

01;09;01;27 - 01;09;27;03
Speaker 1
You know, you think of yoga as this connection with God. That's the one that that's what it is. But there's physical yoga and spiritual yoga. Oh, so spiritual yoga is this prana energy that's moving up through the spine and through the top of the scalp to the top of the forehead to actually make this connection with that top of the mountain, let's just call it that sense what you said.

01;09;28;07 - 01;09;59;24
Speaker 1
The unfortunate factor is, is we get disconnected at some point thinking it's separate, right. The duality of it. Right. And in your case, what I'm asking is what would you tell our listeners so that they they don't disconnect as much, that they can find it all the time and know that it's just there. It's just like it's just like reaching for a pin or a pencil.

01;10;00;07 - 01;10;04;01
Speaker 1
It's right here, you know, you can reach it. It's not that far away.

01;10;04;14 - 01;10;26;02
Speaker 2
Well, I think that's I was going with it is to connect it back to your intuition because I do think that your connection to it is to understand that when you just have a knowing about something that is a form of communication in from this frequency and to pay attention to that knowing and to begin to trust that that knowing is worthy of your attention.

01;10;26;02 - 01;10;56;15
Speaker 2
Because what we believe is that other people's advice and expertise is more worthy than our own inner knowing. So the relationship to higher self comes from reframing that belief system to inherent internal value to value around your knowing versus putting people on a pedestal who are the guru or the author or the guide or the teacher, and believing that somehow their knowing is better than yours.

01;10;56;15 - 01;11;17;21
Speaker 2
So I think that that's really the path back to the connection. But, you know, I have this high school history teacher that I write about modern world history, and she's always tell us if you believe it, then it's true. And she would say that as a way to describe why people would go on these, you know, crusades and wars and battles to to, you know, continue to spread their beliefs.

01;11;17;21 - 01;11;42;03
Speaker 2
It's because they believed genuinely in their heart that it was truly part of their purpose. But I take that to be even more macro and matter than that, meaning that we human beings create everything out of our belief, right? I mean, what was, you know, the calculator before it was a thought. It had to be a thought and be a belief.

01;11;42;16 - 01;12;04;01
Speaker 2
I just had a calculator cause I was staring at one on my desk. But it's really important, I think, for us to understand how much power we hold in our thoughts and in our beliefs. And once we understand that, apply that belief to ourselves and to this higher frequency within us. And the best way you can do that is evidence.

01;12;04;01 - 01;12;27;00
Speaker 2
Like if I ask you right now, what is a time and all of you are listening where you just had a knowing, you just knew it dropped in and then I would ask you what happened? What happened when you listened? What changed in your life? Or how did you notice that you got closer to whatever growth you really needed to to have that right?

01;12;27;00 - 01;12;52;25
Speaker 2
There is evidence and our brains love evidence. We like tangible data. That's data. Your intuition is giving you data. If you just think back to when you listened to it. So I really believe that your connection, this part of you, has to do with belief. And cultivating belief is about looking for evidence and starting to see that it's really a practical part of your life.

01;12;52;25 - 01;13;17;04
Speaker 1
Well, it's I think what I heard you say is and I've heard this before from other friends, it's when your belief becomes a knowing right. So the reality is, I think we live in a world of mass, you making stuff up and then we start to live what we made up. But that's not usually the true us because that's being tainted.

01;13;17;04 - 01;13;42;05
Speaker 1
When you have a knowing, as you've referred to several times, that knowing needs to be the guide. It's the true, it's the big T. You know, Byron, Katie used to say to people on stage, is it true is it really true? Is is is your husband really that bad? You know? Well, no, maybe not. Maybe we don't need to get a divorce or whatever.

01;13;42;05 - 01;14;08;12
Speaker 1
So when they relook, look at and change the perspective, it changes because they start to question the belief, Right. So now, when that belief becomes, as you said, this knowing this intuition, this greater power, and, you know, you you said something. You said that it's that the intuition is the language of the soul. Okay? It's our way to higher self speaks to us.

01;14;09;09 - 01;14;34;16
Speaker 1
We live in a world that's taught us to value logic and data and other people's opinions, as you just said, and overthinking. How do our listeners learn to distinguish between the higher selves, the Big T, the knowing and the wisdom and the noise of fear, conditioning or the ego Because those are the things that I know we've got.

01;14;34;16 - 01;14;42;08
Speaker 1
We've all got an ego. But the reality is you're going to have it all your life. And the question is, is how are you working with it?

01;14;43;07 - 01;15;08;06
Speaker 2
It's a great question. And I think discernment is the most important tool in your toolbox as you're cultivating your relationship with your higher self and with your intuition. And I'll tell you, it shows up in three really clear ways intuition and fear. Let's just put them along a spectrum. This is the way I teach it, right? So when you talk about the noise, that noise is coming from lived experiences that create survival strategies.

01;15;08;06 - 01;15;34;29
Speaker 2
They go, S.O.S., you're going to get hurt again. And there's that fear voice or that anxious voice that's replaying an old story, not because it's evil, because it's trying to help you survive. And so that's really important because we don't want to villainize any part of us. That's what it's doing, but it has signatures to it when it shows up, your fear voice, your anxiety voice shows up in your body, it shows up in your energy and it shows up in your emotions.

01;15;34;29 - 01;15;53;24
Speaker 2
And I can tell you, hang on a second, your intuition does the same things. So when are trying to discern between a fear or anxious thought versus an intuitive thought, the first thing to pay attention to is how do I feel in my body right now? When this thought shows up? Let's say that you have to make a decision tomorrow about something monumental.

01;15;54;19 - 01;16;25;02
Speaker 2
When you get a thought about that decision, how is your body feeling if your body is feeling contracted, tight, heavy heart racing, that is a sign that your fear or your anxiety are informing that thought when your body feels calm or centered. Some people say they get butterflies in their stomach. The idea of gut feeling coming from intuition is because for centuries people have felt something in the pit of their stomach when they know something.

01;16;25;11 - 01;16;50;09
Speaker 2
But get curious about the difference between how fear feels in your body and then how intuition feels. But the most the most clear discernment is actually in your emotions. Intuition is emotionally neutral. It's like a period at the end of a sentence when an intuitive thought comes in. It's not filling you with any emotion whatsoever. Now your fear might pick up the intuitive thought and add an emotion to it.

01;16;50;09 - 01;17;14;02
Speaker 2
So watch it because fear is very smart and it got within 5 seconds. But when it originally drops in, when you're really connected to your intuitive knowing it is very flat, it's very clear. So you have a thought check in with yourself. Am I scared? Am I anxious? Am angry? Am I sad? Bier has an emotional signature. Intuition does not.

01;17;14;02 - 01;17;32;26
Speaker 2
So when even if it's not good news, like I say in the book, I. I needed to get divorced when I was eight months pregnant with my second child. It wasn't good news, but it dropped in so factually that it was like, Huh, What is that? What is that knowing feeling right there that doesn't fill me with dread?

01;17;33;07 - 01;17;34;22
Speaker 2
That's the difference right there.

01;17;35;10 - 01;17;59;14
Speaker 1
That is important for people to understand the clarity of what you've just said. You know that knowing you introduced the concept in the book and I talked about this just 3 minutes ago, but I didn't talk about, in a sense, a core word that deep belief that were neither not enough, because that's what the ego says. We just talked the ego or too much.

01;17;59;28 - 01;18;20;28
Speaker 1
And this resonates really deeply with a lot of people, especially the not enough, because the not enough part is the part that I think many people battle most of their lives. Okay, My mom and dad wanted me to be a doctor and now I'm an actress or whatever, whatever it was, right? Or I was supposed to do this and I didn't do that.

01;18;21;16 - 01;18;36;28
Speaker 1
And how do these core wounds form in childhood or young adulthood? And more importantly, how do they continue to run our lives decades later without us even realizing it?

01;18;36;28 - 01;19;03;23
Speaker 2
I have had such an honor of coaching hundreds and hundreds of people, and I am telling you right now one of the more unifying factors of all of humanity is this belief that somehow, somewhere we're not enough. Even the I'm too much comes from I'm not enough. And you know. I think that it's important when you do this work on yourself to understand that this isn't about blame.

01;19;04;10 - 01;19;43;10
Speaker 2
It's not about blaming the people who raised you. This isn't about creating good guys and bad guys. It's about really objectively seeing your shaping so that you can get to know yourself better. And so that core I'm not enough can come from something as innocuous as you running in excited and and Dad being tired or stressed out repeatedly telling you just too much, you know, or we need you to be reading instead of going out and making a mess or whatever it is that you're excited about not being met with total openness because your parents are human and they're not totally present in the moment.

01;19;43;21 - 01;20;06;17
Speaker 2
And so because causes a feeling of rejection in our little selves and we don't have the wisdom to distance ourselves from it and be objective, we have to create a reason why so that the world still feels safe. The only reason that we can point to is ourselves. So anything that causes that kind of pain of rejection can then result in.

01;20;06;17 - 01;20;25;14
Speaker 2
Well, there must be something wrong with me. If only I were more quiet. If only I got better grades, if only because now sometimes our parents used to and this is from my parents generation. Try and motivate through comparison. Well, then that makes it even worse, right? Because for me, it was my older sister. Look at how much she's studying.

01;20;25;14 - 01;20;45;14
Speaker 2
Or look at Johnny down the street. You know, he did X, Y, or Z then that I'm not enough chasm grows even further because now I'm not like my sister. So that's the innocuous and then it goes all the way to true harm and neglect and abuse, right? There are people who have experienced true harm in the hands of those that were supposed to keep them safe.

01;20;45;23 - 01;21;09;21
Speaker 2
And again, it isn't safe to believe that the people who are raising you are unsafe because then you think you're not going to survive. The safest bet is to believe there's something wrong with me. So if only I could fix what's not enough, then I will get the love or the acceptance I need. And I am just here to say that part of us lives within every single one of us.

01;21;10;00 - 01;21;34;19
Speaker 2
Even if you've gone to therapy for a decade, there's still self that's trapped and I'm not enough. And if you're not aware of it, it creates the noise you and I were just talking about. It's the one that fills your head with the anxious, fearful thought when you need to take a bet on yourself. And it's the one that is drowning out your intuition because it believes I have to replay this thought to keep you alive.

01;21;34;25 - 01;21;36;05
Speaker 2
So I'm going to do my job.

01;21;37;03 - 01;22;02;25
Speaker 1
Yeah. And if anybody out there who has worked with hypnotherapist like I have, you recognize, that the subconscious mind, you can reprogram that I have a beautiful hypnotherapist here in Del Mar who is just amazing at getting me to, you know, reprogram. Right. And so you got to understand the power of that. It it just does what it's told, right?

01;22;02;25 - 01;22;31;11
Speaker 1
It's just is So you can break free from a lot of this by doing your own affirmations. You don't even have to go to a hypnotherapist and really just kind of repeat those affirmations because you're then begin to start to believe it. Now, this next question is for those high achievers who probably using hypnotherapist to help them achieve even more.

01;22;31;11 - 01;22;55;18
Speaker 1
And this is where we talk about purpose, because your book does that. You've worked with so many of them in Fortune 500 companies and and CEOs and celebrities, and they're all kind of listed at your website and are at the top in their field. The top rate. But as Marshall Goldsmith said to me, it's like, when is enough, enough?

01;22;56;09 - 01;23;18;05
Speaker 1
You know, you could be the CEO of three companies have five different houses, have, you know, $2 billion in the bank. And you're saying, I got to do more, Right, right, right. And it's because you're so programed, you're so into it. That's what happens. He coaches people just like you do who are having the same issue. So what's the difference between doing a job and living your purpose?

01;23;18;05 - 01;23;30;08
Speaker 1
Because so many of these people could be focused more on doing more purposeful work, yet aren't because they don't believe they've made it enough? Yeah, not enough.

01;23;31;04 - 01;23;58;25
Speaker 2
I love this question. I really believe that we have confused a job with purpose for far too long. Your job, hopefully, is the way you make money through your purpose. At the very best case scenario, that is what your job is. Your purpose is your entire reason for existing in this timeline, in the identity you're in, and what that means.

01;23;58;25 - 01;24;24;03
Speaker 2
So much of your purpose and your preparedness to do your purpose is totally organic. It doesn't require a lot of your consciousness because the natural skill sets, you have things that just come to you easily and the things that make you fulfilled when you do them. Those two things together, that's your purpose, whatever that is. For me, it was naturally problem solving.

01;24;24;03 - 01;24;45;22
Speaker 2
Like I said, very easy for me to see the forest through the trees and it fulfilled me to watch people see that for themselves. So that started to inform me around my purpose. But I live that purpose as a mother with the way I parent my teenagers. I live that purpose as a community member with the, you know, nonprofits that I work with.

01;24;45;22 - 01;25;04;21
Speaker 2
I live that purpose in my career. So I think it's really important for us not to believe that purpose is either reserved for those who really, you know, give up their lives and go become monks on a mountaintop, or that you have to be a billionaire to be able to live your purpose. You are your purpose. That is why you are here.

01;25;04;21 - 01;25;31;22
Speaker 2
You cannot extricate yourself from it. It's about awareness. What is it that I'm good at? What fulfills me? That's your purpose. How am I doing it? In little ways and big ways every day. And I think that the CEOs I've seen who feel detached from their purpose is because they've bought into the scarcity mindset that they can't both things, that they can't live this purposeful life and succeed to the extent they want to succeed.

01;25;31;28 - 01;25;56;23
Speaker 2
There's nothing wrong with being high achiever. There's nothing wrong with wanting to accumulate success and wealth. But we have been taught that those things for some reason are in cross-currents. And then leaders trade in their values, their integrity, their purpose, because they think that that's what they need to do to succeed. And that's when I see them the most disconnected from that part of their spirit.

01;25;57;19 - 01;26;26;19
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's the little voice inside that I think no matter where they got it from it. And I can't you, I know where mine came from, but it's like, So what did you do for me today? Right. Meaning like, Hey, you came to work, you're here. And it's like, okay, what did I do for the company? The question should not be, what we do today.

01;26;27;07 - 01;26;57;09
Speaker 1
It should be, What did I receive as a result of being here that made me a better person for everybody else that works in this company as well. Yeah. So in your book, you take us through this beautiful three part journey. You call it becoming disconnected the crisis of disconnection and becoming reconnected. So when someone realizes they're living disconnected, like many people we're talking about now and you said at the beginning of this, we're not alone.

01;26;57;23 - 01;27;25;20
Speaker 1
We've all been through this. But when they become disconnect from their higher self, maybe they're they're let's say maybe they're reading your book or listening to this conversation thinking, that's me, that's me. So where do they start and what's the first step on the path? And I originally formulated this question as far as saying the path back, it isn't about the path back.

01;27;26;12 - 01;27;37;10
Speaker 1
You are this already right? You just need to claim it. You don't have to go back anywhere. You just need to step into it and discover it. It's there.

01;27;37;21 - 01;27;39;03
Speaker 2
Yeah, you just have to remember.

01;27;39;17 - 01;27;39;27
Speaker 1
Right?

01;27;39;27 - 01;27;41;12
Speaker 2
Literally, you've just forgotten.

01;27;42;21 - 01;27;43;11
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01;27;43;11 - 01;28;08;00
Speaker 2
Look, I mean. Oh, my gosh. I want you to pay attention to the parts of you that are suffering. I want you to pay attention so that you can start to have the awareness. I don't. Do I have to live this way? Is suffering a part of is it a you know, to your point about Byron, Katie, I love this question.

01;28;08;05 - 01;28;33;25
Speaker 2
Do you know this to be 100% true? Do you want it to be 100% that suffering is required for you to succeed or for you to be in this family or in this relationship or to get love? And I really think that question cracks you open, because I don't think that we have ever been given the dignity truly to stop and say, do I deserve to somehow live without suffering?

01;28;34;13 - 01;28;59;05
Speaker 2
Do I deserve to have internal peace in my life? And I think that what'll happen if you ask yourself that question and really take the space to listen is you'll hear this part of your soul, the one that says, I didn't come here to suffer. I came here to express myself in the greatest capacity possible. And whatever that part feels like to you, get curious about that part.

01;28;59;05 - 01;29;20;11
Speaker 2
We are far too curious about our fear voice. We are far too curious about what anxiety is doing and why we have it and what it thinks. But we're not that curious about this knowing self this like terminal part. So when you start to feel it and by the way, every interview I've done I have heard just hearing us talk about it sparks this part of you.

01;29;20;17 - 01;29;46;15
Speaker 2
So whatever is sparking right now as you're listening, get curious about that spark. Who is that part of you? What does that part want? What does that part believe? You know really well, what limited self believes? What does the limitless self-belief about yourself? That curiosity is genuinely your pathway to remembering who you are, really, and seeing the rest of it as just an illusion of survival that you've been in?

01;29;47;22 - 01;29;50;16
Speaker 1
And I'll add, trusting it.

01;29;50;16 - 01;29;50;24
Speaker 2
Yeah.

01;29;50;24 - 01;30;11;14
Speaker 1
See, the thing is, is that you've been using the other side so long that when this comes along, it's not familiar. You've got get comfortable with it. You've got to get comfortable with that aspect of your being, which is telling you you are enough.

01;30;11;25 - 01;30;12;06
Speaker 2
Yes.

01;30;12;11 - 01;30;39;24
Speaker 1
And so what I'm here to say is that Maury is telling you you are enough, I'm telling you. But here comes the question, Maury. You know, you met Ria, who predicted your divorce and told you that you were meant to teach people how to come to themselves. Yeah. Okay. That moment of receiving validation from someone else about your past seemed ironic.

01;30;39;24 - 01;31;15;18
Speaker 1
Your teachings about not outsourcing our power. Yeah, we're talking about right now. How do you balance learning from mentors and guides with trusting your own intuition? And I really should reframe this. How do you think people outside listening to this podcast should balance the learning from mentors and guides so that they can trust this wisdom? Because in reality we can read all the books we want, listen to all the podcasts we want, go to all the workshops we want, do all the things we want to do.

01;31;15;18 - 01;31;36;26
Speaker 1
In the end, when we walk away, we should be fulfilled in knowing that we are whole. Yeah, and that we can live this way yet frequent we we leave those events those podcast notes, those books thinking the same thing we thought before because we've just been nudged but not nudged enough. Mm hmm.

01;31;37;28 - 01;31;53;28
Speaker 2
I dedicated my book to Ria because what Ria really did for me was hold up a mirror. She didn't tell me what, Right. I thought. I mean, she's also you'll see in the book she's a psychic, a medium. And I didn't believe in any of that when I first met her, so I thought she was crazy the first time she told me these things.

01;31;53;28 - 01;32;13;04
Speaker 2
And then stuff started happening, and I started to realize, okay, this is valid. But what Ray did for me and what I hope to do for people is not tell you this is the path you need to do. One, then two, then three. What Ray did for me is hold up a mirror and say, Wow, look at yourself.

01;32;13;23 - 01;32;37;22
Speaker 2
Look at your ability to make good decisions. Look at your knowing. Do you see how intuitive you are? Let's review all the things that you were right about as you knew them. And that mirror helped me remember. So I think that the way balance it is, ask yourself, am I trying to craft myself in the image of this coach or mentor or guru?

01;32;37;22 - 01;33;02;01
Speaker 2
Is that what they want, by the way? Because there's plenty of people out there with egos big enough that that is what they desire. Or is this coach or mentor or guide showing me how to find myself again and craft myself an image of my greatest dignity, my greatest knowing That's how you tell the difference. But I do think you need people sometimes to come knock, knock, remind you.

01;33;02;09 - 01;33;02;28
Speaker 1
Hey, yeah.

01;33;03;08 - 01;33;22;24
Speaker 2
Wake up. You are not living in the total truth of what you're capable of. And I think that those people are priceless. I think it's the ones who then want to make you follow their exact way, doing things that you should be wary of. Because then that's not really about guiding you back to yourself.

01;33;23;20 - 01;33;52;07
Speaker 1
Well, for all my listeners, you're going to go to our website because put a link below and she is going to be what, one of the transformational coaches that will provide you with that kind of guidance. Not telling you, but allowing you to find it. Now, can you talk to the listeners about the relationship between trust flow and achieving what we truly desire?

01;33;53;11 - 01;34;16;10
Speaker 1
I think in finding your higher Self, these are three aspects that we need to get in alignment with. The biggest one probably being trust, the second one being flow, and then achieving what we truly desire. You know, and you've gone through this many times in your life, so you certainly can speak about it.

01;34;16;10 - 01;34;45;22
Speaker 2
Yeah, you know, I think trust is the hardest one because it's really hard to believe in things you can't see. And my asking you to trust your higher self is really herculean for a lot of people because there's not a lot of physical evidence that it even exists. So that is why I say, look at your life for evidence, find evidence in your life for this aspect that has been guiding you and that has been right.

01;34;46;03 - 01;35;17;01
Speaker 2
And you know, the words I try to live by for myself is, you know, you either can choose to trust or you can choose to suffer and believe that you have control over this outcome. Which one, which one has worked in the past and which one feels better and which one feels worse. And for me, this total trust I have in my higher self, in my own abilities feels more empowering and fulfilling and less desperate and depressed and anxious.

01;35;17;12 - 01;35;44;20
Speaker 2
So I choose trust because I have learned over time that I deserve not to be weighed down by all of those negative feelings. And as you trust, what I say is look for evidence. Keep looking for evidence in the future as you're trusting what comes to you when you let go and trust versus when you hold on really tightly or you keep, you know, how you keep working that thing over in your brain over and over and over again because you think the solution is going to show up.

01;35;44;20 - 01;36;11;20
Speaker 2
Does it actually ever show up when you're in that anxious loop or does something else open up when you trust and you let go? So that's the hardest part. But I think it's about looking for the evidence flow is about remaining in that state of receiving what is coming. When you're in the trust state of noticing, of clocking it, you know, keeping track of, oh, wow, that opportunity came and I met that really interesting person.

01;36;11;23 - 01;36;46;05
Speaker 2
I like the way I showed up. I like the way I felt when I was on that stage, giving that talk, whatever it is, feeling that flow and locking that into yourselves, recognizing that as a real experience when I'm in flow, this is what it feels like. And when you're able to lock that in and experientially understand what it is, you're more likely to achieve your desires because your whole system recognizes that frequency, it recognizes flow, it recognizes trust, and it says, now I'm going to detect more of the same and the vise versa is true.

01;36;46;05 - 01;37;08;18
Speaker 2
So many of us are living in the contraction, the fear that it's not possible. And that's what life is. Reflecting back to us. So that's why I talk about trust and flow and achieving your desires in that order, because it basically raises your life force, it raises your frequency. And at that frequency, more is available to you. And as you start to believe that more is available, you start to make it happen.

01;37;09;26 - 01;37;47;16
Speaker 1
Well, and I think something that we haven't talked about yet, but one of your final chapters and I'm in it called Self Love, you know, and I personally beat myself up for years about not being enough, right? So it's really kind of hard to love yourself when you're telling yourself you're not enough. But then what happens is? You get angry because sometimes you can't ever achieve what you've set out.

01;37;47;16 - 01;38;13;06
Speaker 1
It's like you're reaching for something and it's like it just keeps moving further and further away, right? Because either the goal was to match or whatever. So it's it's hard for one to get into this space of accepting what is going in the flow and trusting because they're mistrusting, they think they're in control. You're never in control. Anyone of us out there is never in control.

01;38;13;16 - 01;38;44;13
Speaker 1
Right. The other thing is, if you're waiting for someone else in your life to make you happy, you're going to wait forever for right? This is an inside job. So this final chapter is entitled Emanating Love. After this entire journey of healing, reconnecting, and embodying our high herself. As you say, it all comes back to love. Now, let's define this not romantic love necessarily, but something deeper, right?

01;38;44;24 - 01;39;10;00
Speaker 1
I'm not certain a lot of people know what that deeper love is to me. I'll just call it pure, unlimited love. Pure, unlimited love. Like Dr. Stephen Post says. Can you talk with us about what it means to emanate love from your higher self and how this changes everything in our life?

01;39;10;00 - 01;39;34;07
Speaker 2
It all comes back to understanding your inherent worth. And what I tell people to do is visualize a child that love in your life right now can be a niece or a nephew or daughter, a son, whatever. And just think about the way you feel about them. And then I want you to picture yourself that same age. Do you feel that same feeling towards that version of yourself?

01;39;36;00 - 01;40;07;19
Speaker 2
If not, there's your in there's your pathway and right there is learning to look at that version of yourself with the same adoration. Right now I have a 16 year old girl. I had a lot of shame at 16 because of the decisions made. And I am really learning that when I look at her with such are that what I need is to look at 16 year old me with the same are that's what love emanating love from the inside out is because when I can give myself especially the version of myself, I'm ashamed of that much compassion.

01;40;07;27 - 01;40;25;21
Speaker 2
It becomes easier to give it to myself right now at 45. So it's really about reclaiming these parts of you that you've sort of siphoned off and decided you're not going to look at. And look at them again through the same eyes. You would look at a child that you adore. And if you can't do that, then I want you to get curious.

01;40;25;21 - 01;40;51;03
Speaker 2
Why? Why can't I find this love for myself in there? Is it because it was never modeled for me? Is it because it wasn't given to me then? Those are your answers. But there's still more beyond that when you can do that it becomes easier to emanate love towards other people. We judge others because we judge ourselves. We shame others because we hold shame within ourselves and we fear others because we fear ourselves.

01;40;51;23 - 01;41;20;10
Speaker 2
So when you say it's an inside job, the entire thing is an inside job. The way we relate to one another absolutely is tied to the way we relate to ourselves. So look for the parts of yourself that you're rejecting those are the parts that need your attention so that you can actually embody love towards other people. Because if you're rejecting a part of yourself, you're never actually open to fully accepting others.

01;41;20;10 - 01;41;58;09
Speaker 1
The SO well said, and I'll say this and hopefully it resonates with you. Much of the reason I think our older self when it looks back at the younger self and says did I emanate or have this love for me, and as you said at the beginning here, many people go through many different experiences. You articulated the issue with your parents in New Mexico and the chaos and the fact that sometimes parents aren't so nice to their kids.

01;41;58;09 - 01;42;37;08
Speaker 1
So what I think goes on is this thing called adverse childhood experiences. Mm hmm. Okay. And I have a doctor that I work with that I created an app for Aces, and you know, those aces, if you answer those questions, you recognize that the reason people become obese or because to protect themselves from being hurt or whatever, because they were molested or whatever happened to them, or they go to drinking or drugs or alcohol, pretty serious, right.

01;42;37;08 - 01;43;03;23
Speaker 1
And those are hard situations to get out of. But I want to say to any listeners that are experiencing that today, Maury's Higher Self book is an opportunity for you to reflect on what it is that you love about yourself, not what you have to be afraid of. Okay? And I know that fear drives a lot of people's decisions, but love should more drive your decision, right?

01;43;04;07 - 01;43;35;29
Speaker 1
Versus fear. I'm afraid I won't have enough money. What if you said I love myself and I know I can have enough no matter what I do? Okay, so these things are important. So as we close this interview, I want to on this note, what would you say to someone listening right now who feels that pull that whisper from a higher self but hasn't connected, but is terrified, absolutely terrified to make the change?

01;43;36;16 - 01;43;47;19
Speaker 1
And what wisdom do you have for someone at the crossroads where you, Maury, once stood?

01;43;47;19 - 01;44;16;14
Speaker 2
I'll tell you that your intuition whispers until it shouts and then it creates a crisis in your life to get your attention. So I think if you're standing at that crossroad like I did many times in my life and you feel the poll, I think what's important to ask yourself is, do I have the courage now to step into this belief of myself or do I want to wait until I'm shoved into it?

01;44;16;14 - 01;44;44;20
Speaker 2
Because the stepping in provides you more space and grace and it can become a dance between you and your intuition, your fear you have more space to learn about yourself. And oop, that was a fear thought. I'm not going to follow it. Okay? This is what intuition feels like. You can do it through baby steps. It's buying yourself the time to learn how to walk versus ignoring and ignoring and ignoring until there's an explosion.

01;44;44;20 - 01;45;11;01
Speaker 2
You have to up, right? Whether that's a divorce that comes out of nowhere, whatever it looks like for you know that if your soul desires a change because you're not living in the truth of your spirit, you're not living your most expanded self, you are somehow contracting or quieting yourself because you're subscribing to limiting beliefs, your soul will not abide by that forever.

01;45;11;16 - 01;45;34;16
Speaker 2
It is going to want to fully express itself and, so you can either choose to work with it and do it in this beautiful dance where you will be really taken care of. Or you can choose to learn through bigger, more dramatic circumstances. You'll still be okay. You'll still be okay, but maybe the suffering will be a little bit more.

01;45;35;25 - 01;46;10;26
Speaker 1
What you I would say to my listeners, what you don't want to allow happen is live in this state so long that the manifest energy that you've created manifest in some type of disease. This hyphen is so whether it turns into cancer, whether you are afraid whatever it might be, really look at what you're doing to yourself because no one else is doing it to you.

01;46;11;20 - 01;46;47;08
Speaker 1
Okay? You are 100 responsible for your own actions. And what I'm going to say is get this book Higher Self. Go to Morey's website. We can have a link below. m0ryfontan easy dot com. You can learn more. She talks about from crisis to clarity the questions. It's a great website. Go check her out on YouTube as well. Obviously check out this podcast which will be promoting for her and this new book.

01;46;47;17 - 01;47;17;03
Speaker 1
And if you're interested in actually hiring to come speak at your company it's there. You can look at a video that she's done, which is awesome. Actually. Maury's method, you can to that how your crisis can create your awakening everything she's been talking about and she says this isn't self-help itself trust so that's really the key. This is not self-help itself Trust.

01;47;17;16 - 01;47;26;25
Speaker 1
Maury, I've appreciated any last words before we depart this, before we go on to bigger and better things, you and I.

01;47;27;11 - 01;47;48;01
Speaker 2
Greg, Thank you for having me and also for the work you do. I think it's really important that these conversations exist in every corner of the world. And I think the way you're having these conversations are really meeting this underserved community. That might be a little cynical about the things we talk about, but I think you do it in a way and you invite people on in a way that can help people meet them where they're at.

01;47;48;01 - 01;47;51;18
Speaker 2
And so I've just been really grateful to be here with you and to get to know you.

01;47;51;18 - 01;48;08;15
Speaker 1
Likewise, I have been as well, and I am going to be referring you some other great authors and people that I know love your work. Namaste state to you. Thank you for being on inside personal growth and spending this time with me and the thousands of listeners that are still listening at this point. Thanks so much more.

01;48;08;15 - 01;48;31;19
Speaker 2
I thank you.

01;48;31;19 - 01;48;47;24
Speaker 1
Well, for all my listeners, welcome back to Inside Personal Growth. This is Greg voicing the host of the podcast. And Maury Fontana's is joining us on the other side and not that far away in Santa Barbara. Maury, how are you?

01;48;48;02 - 01;48;51;13
Speaker 2
Hi, Greg. I'm great. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

01;48;51;27 - 01;49;04;21
Speaker 1
Well, it's a pleasure having you on the show. And if you would hold up your book, because I want our listeners to see this book. It's called Higher Self Reclaiming the Power of Your Intuition.

01;49;04;24 - 01;49;05;12
Speaker 2
Yes.

01;49;05;12 - 01;49;29;28
Speaker 1
And today, Maury is going to help guide you on things you can do and who you can become to actually find that higher intuition. And so you might want to know why her? Why is she qualified to do this? Well, I'm going to tell you why she's qualified to do this. I'm Really thrilled to have her on the show.

01;49;30;21 - 01;50;23;04
Speaker 1
Maury is an intuitive life and leadership guide. Author and speaker has spent the last two decades helping some of the world's most recognized faces. And Fortune 500 companies, CEOs, celebrities and public figures navigate the most challenging moments and reconnect their true selves. And she's really done this work. So before stepping into this transformative work, Moore has spent nearly 20 years as a high powered corporate strategist and crisis management expert, counseling global brands and shift sitting in boardrooms with some of the business most influential leaders, she was on the fast track to become a chief executive, promoted ten times before her 30th birthday, when something profound happened, her higher self began calling to her with such

01;50;23;04 - 01;50;58;10
Speaker 1
force that she couldn't ignore it anymore. And we'll get into that when we talk. In her new book, Higher Self Reclaiming the Power of Your Intuition is a profound roadmap for anyone who feels disconnected with themselves trapped by limiting beliefs are caught in the exhausted cycles of seeking external validation. Through her own journey and her stories of those, she's guided, she's going to show us how to recognize the voice of the higher self, heal the wounds that keep us small, and step into the most empowered, authentic version of ourselves.

01;50;58;22 - 01;51;27;29
Speaker 1
She's had many, many people that she's coached, she said. What makes this conversation to me most important is that Maureen understands the real cost of living, disconnected from ourselves, the exhaustion of performing, the pain of outsourcing our power, the emptiness of success without familial fulfillment. And more importantly, she knows the way back. Maury, welcome to and Personal growth.

01;51;28;09 - 01;51;33;22
Speaker 2
Greg, what an introduction. If you are looking to be an agent, please let me know.

01;51;35;04 - 01;51;36;06
Speaker 1
That was amazing.

01;51;36;06 - 01;51;37;09
Speaker 2
Thank you so much.

01;51;37;14 - 01;52;16;07
Speaker 1
Well, you know, it's true. And you know, I've only had the PDF of the book and now you're going to really send me something that I can feel that has your energy on it, which is even going to be greater because I love that. You know, look, I just interviewed earlier Bill Barnett from Stanford University this morning, and Bill was the guy who wrote Designing Your Life, and he talks about design and he talks this new book that he and Dave wrote is about meaning in your life, how to find meaning in your life.

01;52;16;07 - 01;52;55;07
Speaker 1
And we had this great conversation in this podcast. And what I want to ask you is, look, this has been a while since your intuitive voice spoke to you. Why now? Why the release of this? Because one thing I know everybody who's listening this world or living in today, their loneliness is more than ever. The disconnect to who we are frequently is greater and greater as a result of us being bombarded with just negative news and things that are going on.

01;52;55;07 - 01;53;22;07
Speaker 1
And so our attention is being distracted. And so that sweet little voice inside is having a hard time tuning in and being heard by people. Why? I know you wrote the book too, to let people find that voice, but what advice you have for people today who are listening right now just going, Wow, I'm just so tired of fighting.

01;53;22;07 - 01;54;17;15
Speaker 2
You know, the first thing I would say is, you're not alone. There is an epidemic, to your point right now of exhaustion. My perspective is that we are in a crisis of disconnection because we truly don't trust ourselves anymore. We have been so deeply conditioned to look externally not only for validation, but for wisdom, for answers. You know, part of what I've been talking about on this book tour is the idea of just the self-help industry and how I'm sort of saying self-help self trust, because what we need more than ever to fill our life force back up and not feel so exhausted and disconnected is this inherent belief that we ourselves hold the answers

01;54;17;15 - 01;54;50;15
Speaker 2
that we're seeking and that there is this beautiful, ever sustaining evergreen source of knowing and dignity and love within us that, I want people to get curious about because your relationship with that part of you is the most fulfilling relationship you'll have in your life. It is the part that once you're connected to it, you realize, Oh, if I'm connected to this, I'm connected to all consciousness, which means I'm never alone and I'm never really lost.

01;54;50;24 - 01;55;22;04
Speaker 2
The answers are there for me. If I can learn how to quiet the noise of fear and conditioning and anxiety and learn to trust this inherently divine knowing part of myself and also see it as a really practical, pragmatic part of you just, like any other sense, your sense of taste or smell or sight. It's a sense that has been villainized that, you know, has had, I say as a PR person, a terrible PR campaign against it for the last few centuries.

01;55;23;08 - 01;55;36;23
Speaker 2
But it is there and we all have it and we all use it. And so I think if you're tired right now, what I hope is that whatever is flickering in you, when you hear me talk about this part of you, you get curious about that flicker because that's your answer.

01;55;37;15 - 01;56;03;23
Speaker 1
Yeah, well, talk with us. You know, you say this happened in a board room, but my sense about you is that this happened way before then, and you got glimmers along the way that your path, you know, you have an interesting background. Tell readers about the little girl who blossomed into who she is today to actually say, you know, this is the path I took.

01;56;04;13 - 01;56;21;19
Speaker 1
And along the way there was pain and there was suffering and arts. Now our choice to choose, hey, we're all going to have some pain, but we can choose not to have the suffering that along with it. MM Yeah.

01;56;22;09 - 01;56;43;02
Speaker 2
Well, I mean, I, like many, many Americans, have immigrant parents. My parents fled the Iranian Revolution, actually right before the revolution and came to the U.S. They went to New Mexico where my mom became pregnant with me. And, you know, they had a nine year old child, they were not expecting a baby in the midst of all this chaos.

01;56;43;02 - 01;57;11;29
Speaker 2
And so there I was. I showed up. And you know, what I say is that I was born into the chaos. And and for me, what that looked like was, you know, a family unit that was just trying to figure out how to survive here in a new country while my mom was just thousands of miles away from her entire support system and feeling like she wasn't sure how she was ever going to be connected to them.

01;57;11;29 - 01;57;32;00
Speaker 2
So out of that desperation, she decided to take me and my older sister to Iran to make sure that they could meet me when I was a baby. And when we landed, the Iran Iraq war broke out and we got stuck in a war zone for about a year. And look, I believe that we're all conscious beings, obviously, from the very moment, even before we take our first breath.

01;57;32;10 - 01;57;44;07
Speaker 2
And as a part of that, what that means is that all the experiences that happen to you, even if it's when you're six months old, become a part of the way you're shaped. Because we take in other people's energy. And I think the energy that I was I say.

01;57;44;07 - 01;58;06;17
Speaker 1
It's it's your DNA. Yeah. You know, it's yeah, it's the tapestry. You know, if you weave through all the things that Marie has experienced, including the New Mexico and then being cotton, the war and all of those experience, those sights, those sounds, those feelings, those touches, the whatever, they make up, the individual of which you have become.

01;58;06;28 - 01;58;33;16
Speaker 2
Yeah. And other people's feelings, especially the emotions of the people who are in charge of your care, you know, the ones you love and who love you. And so, you know, I think my shaping really comes from deeply sensing into my mom and her fear, her her disconnect and deciding at a very, very young age. I was going to be the fixer.

01;58;33;22 - 01;58;54;20
Speaker 2
I was going to be her companion. I was going to make sure she was happy and, you know, never feeling lonely. I could feel her feelings before. I think she even consciously was aware of them. And so I started to build this strategy of fixing people who were, you know, in distress without them even asking for it, which is a really important thing.

01;58;54;20 - 01;59;05;27
Speaker 2
I learned by the way, later in life is that that can go from being very empathetic to being your kryptonite when you take in how people feel and then you decide it's your job to fix it, it becomes quite a burden.

01;59;05;27 - 01;59;08;00
Speaker 1
So totally and I know.

01;59;08;00 - 01;59;29;22
Speaker 2
So much of that that that really led into without realizing it, the career I went into because crisis and chaos and other people's chaos and complicated emotions was such a comfort zone for me. It felt so comfortable. In fact, I say when things are calm, that's when I freak out because it's so unfamiliar to me.

01;59;29;22 - 02;00;02;13
Speaker 1
But that's what fulfilled you emotionally. That's what I know, because I've lived a life like that myself. So I recognize that in me. And, you know, it's this really giving, caring, compassionate person. And then sometimes you and I, we get drained. It's like, oh, it's not like we wanted reciprocity, but we just wanted freedom from not being drug into that all the time that our calling was to do it.

02;00;02;26 - 02;00;28;19
Speaker 1
So you start with the foundation and you describe the higher self as this deepest and truest part of us, our souls Guide. But for many listeners, this might feel a little abstract. Okay. Or even mystical. Great. I know I wrote a book on intuition myself, and so I understand when you write about something like this, you have to define it.

02;00;28;19 - 02;00;47;18
Speaker 1
Well, can you break down what the higher self actually is to memory? It might be different to some of the listeners and how it's different from our everyday thinking mind to our emotional self or our emotional self actions. Yeah.

02;00;47;29 - 02;01;14;08
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, I really want to try and simplify this because I think it can get very nuanced and complicated. But I will say this, you know, this illusion that we are solitary individual energies is, an illusion. We all come from a collective consciousness source, whatever you want to call it, but we come from, you know, a collective entity.

02;01;14;08 - 02;01;48;13
Speaker 2
We are part of that entity. And in choosing this very difficult mission to come down here to this planet, to grow by having tangible life, the way I see it is that our soul sort of has two parts to it. There's the part that remains a part of that larger collective web, that greater consciousness that is aligned to a higher frequency of love and of knowing, of dignity and of connection, true connection that, you know, it's not in that illusion, that that it's separate, it's part of something bigger.

02;01;48;25 - 02;02;15;23
Speaker 2
And then a part of your spirit kind of leaves that forgets about that in order to embody in a human body and have human experiences. And we have to forget so that we can have those day to day experiences that cause pain, that then cause us to heal. And from all of that, what's the point? Growth. That is, the entire reason we choose to come here is to keep having tangible experiences and continue to grow.

02;02;16;04 - 02;02;41;10
Speaker 2
And our higher self is still a part of that material, right? We're still connected. We're the same material. It is the frequency, almost. Think about it like a part of you is standing on a mountaintop and another part of you is down in the forest navigating its way through the trees and is getting lost in the trees and is afraid of the dark and afraid of the noises it hears.

02;02;41;22 - 02;02;53;27
Speaker 2
But the higher self can see entire picture. And is what I say in the book sending you guidance through your intuition. It's the language of your higher self is your intuition, but you know.

02;02;53;27 - 02;03;21;13
Speaker 1
Well, but I think not to and sorry to interrupt, but I just I had this thought about how our listeners myself, you know, we all get we get stuck in what the Buddhist calls the Maya, right? It's the heaviness of verse. You know, you sit down in the forest versus up on the top and it I was at a SRF service.

02;03;21;13 - 02;03;49;10
Speaker 1
I'm a Self-Realization devotee. And the monk said something that was quite interesting. You know, you think of yoga as this connection with God. That's the one. That's what it is. But there's physical yoga and spiritual yoga. Oh, so spiritual yoga is this prana energy that's moving up through the spine, through the top of the scalp, to the top of the forehead to actually make this connection with that top of the mountain.

02;03;49;10 - 02;04;20;16
Speaker 1
Let's just call it that sense what you said. The unfortunate factor is, is we get disconnected at some point thinking it's separate, right? The duality of it right. And in your case, what I'm asking is what would you tell our listeners so that they they don't disconnect as much but they can find it all the time and know that it's just there.

02;04;20;28 - 02;04;28;14
Speaker 1
It's just it's just like reaching for a pen or a pencil. It's right here, you know, you can reach it. It's not that far away.

02;04;28;28 - 02;04;56;21
Speaker 2
Well, I think that's where I was going with it, is to connect it back to your intuition, because I do think that your connection to it is to understand that when you just have a knowing about something that is a form of communication from this frequency and to pay attention to that knowing and to begin to trust that that knowing is worthy of your attention because what we believe is that other people's advice and expertise is more worthy than our own inner knowing.

02;04;57;04 - 02;05;23;27
Speaker 2
So the relationship to higher self comes from reframe that belief system to inherent internal value to value around your knowing versus putting people on a pedestal who are the guru or the author or the guide or the teacher, and believing that somehow their knowing is better than yours. So I think that that's really the path back to the connection.

02;05;24;07 - 02;05;42;05
Speaker 2
But, you know, I have this high school history teacher that I write about modern world history, and she used to always tell us if you believe it, then it's true. And she would say that as a way to describe why people would go on these, you know, crusades and wars and battles to to, you know, continue to spread their beliefs.

02;05;42;05 - 02;06;06;20
Speaker 2
It's because they believed genuinely in their heart that it was truly part of their purpose. But I take that to be even more macro and matter than that, meaning that we human beings create everything out of our belief right. I mean, what was, you know, the calculator before it was a thought. It had to be a thought and be a belief.

02;06;07;01 - 02;06;39;12
Speaker 2
I just had a calculator because I was staring at one of my desk. But it's really important, I think, for us to understand how much power we hold in our thoughts and in our beliefs. And once we understand that apply that belief to ourselves and to this higher frequency within us, and the best way you can do that is evidence like if I ask you right now, what is a time and all of you are listening where you just had a knowing, you just knew it dropped in and then I would ask you what happened?

02;06;40;01 - 02;07;03;24
Speaker 2
What happened when you listened? What changed in your life? Or how did you notice that you got closer to whatever growth you really needed to to have that right? There is evidence and our brains love evidence. We like tangible data. That's data. Your intuition is giving you data. If you just think back to when you listened to it.

02;07;03;24 - 02;07;17;11
Speaker 2
So I really believe that your connection to this part of you has to do with belief. And cultivating belief is about looking for evidence and starting to see that it's really a practical part of your life.

02;07;17;11 - 02;07;41;17
Speaker 1
Well, it's like I think what I heard you say is and I've heard this before from other friends, it's when your belief becomes a knowing, right? So the reality is, I think we live in a world of mass, you making stuff up and then we start to live what we made up. But that's not usually the true us because that's being tainted.

02;07;41;17 - 02;08;06;21
Speaker 1
When you have a knowing, as you've referred to several times, that knowing needs to be the guide. It's the true, it's the big T. You know, Byron, Katie used to say to people on stage, is it true? Is it really true? Is is is your husband really that bad? You know? Well, no, maybe not. Maybe we don't need to get a divorce or whatever.

02;08;06;21 - 02;08;32;27
Speaker 1
So when they relook at and change the perspective, it changes because they start to question the belief, Right. So now, when that belief becomes, as you said, this, knowing this intuition, that's greater power. And, you know, you you said something. You said that it's that the intuition is the language of the soul. Okay? It's our way to higher self speaks to us.

02;08;33;23 - 02;08;59;00
Speaker 1
We live in a world that's taught us to value logic and data and other people's opinions, as you just said, and overthinking. How do our listeners learn to distinguish between the higher selves that big T, the knowing and the wisdom and the noise of fear, conditioning or the ego. Because those are the things that I know we've got.

02;08;59;00 - 02;09;06;25
Speaker 1
We've all got an ego. But the reality is you're going to have it all your life. And the question is, is how are you working with it?

02;09;07;24 - 02;09;32;21
Speaker 2
It's a great question. And I think discernment is the most important tool in your toolbox as you're cultivating your relationship with your higher self and with your intuition. And I'll tell you, it shows up in three really clear ways intuition and fear. Let's just put them along a spectrum. This is the way I teach it, right? So when you talk about the noise, that noise is coming from lived experiences that create survival strategies.

02;09;32;21 - 02;09;59;13
Speaker 2
They go, S.O.S., you're going to get hurt again. And there's that fear voice or that anxious voice that's replaying an old story, not because it's evil, because it's trying to help you survive. And so that's really important because we don't want to villainize any part of us. That's what it's doing. But it has signatures to it when it shows up, your fear voice, your anxiety voice shows up in your body, it shows up in your energy and it shows up in your emotions.

02;09;59;13 - 02;10;18;08
Speaker 2
And I'm gonna tell you how in a second your intuition does the same things. So when you are trying to discern between a fear or anxious thought versus an intuitive thought, the first thing to pay attention to is how do I feel in my body right now when this thought shows up? Let's say that you have to make a decision tomorrow about something monumental.

02;10;19;03 - 02;10;55;16
Speaker 2
When you get a thought about that decision, how is your body feeling If your body is feeling contracted tight, heavy heart racing, that is a sign that your fear or your anxiety are informing that thought when your body feels calm or centered. Some people say they get butterflies in their stomach. The idea of gut feeling coming from intuition is because for centuries people have felt something in the pit of their stomach when they know something but get curious about the difference between how fear feels in your body and then how intuition feels.

02;10;55;16 - 02;11;19;04
Speaker 2
But the most the most clear discernment is actually in your emotions. Intuition is emotionally neutral. It's like a period at the end of a sentence when an intuitive thought comes in. It's not filling you with any emotion whatsoever. Now your fear might pick up the intuitive thought and add an emotion to it. So watch it because fear is very smart and it got within 5 seconds.

02;11;19;20 - 02;11;46;19
Speaker 2
But when it originally drops, when you're really connected to your intuitive knowing it is very flat, it's very clear. So you have a thought check in with yourself. Am I scared, am I anxious? Am I angry? Am I sad? Fear has an emotional signature. Intuition does not. So when even if it's not good news like I say in the book, I knew I needed to get divorced when I was eight months pregnant with my second child.

02;11;46;19 - 02;11;59;04
Speaker 2
It wasn't good news, but it dropped in so factually that it was like, Huh, What is that? What is that knowing feeling right there that doesn't fill me with dread. That's the difference right there.

02;11;59;23 - 02;12;23;29
Speaker 1
That is important for people to understand the clarity of what you've just said. You know that knowing you introduced the concept in the book and I talked about this just 3 minutes ago, but I didn't talk about, in a sense, a core word that deep belief that were neither not enough, because that's what the ego says, just talked about the ego or too much.

02;12;24;13 - 02;12;45;10
Speaker 1
And this resonates really deeply with a lot of people, especially the not enough because the not enough part is the part that I think many people battle most in their lives. Okay, My mom and dad wanted me to be a doctor and now I'm an actress or whatever, whatever it was, right? Or I was supposed to do this and I didn't do that.

02;12;45;28 - 02;13;00;25
Speaker 1
And how do these core wounds form in childhood or young adulthood? And more importantly, how do they continue to run our lives decades later without us even realizing it? Hmm.

02;13;01;12 - 02;13;28;05
Speaker 2
I have had such an honor of coaching hundreds and hundreds of people, and I am telling you right now, one of the more unifying factors of all of humanity is this belief that somehow, somewhere we're not enough. Even the I'm too much comes from I'm not enough. And you know, I think that it's important when you do this work on yourself to understand that this isn't about blame.

02;13;28;22 - 02;14;07;23
Speaker 2
It's not about blaming the people who raised you. This isn't about creating good guys and bad guys. It's about really objectively seeing your shaping so that you can get to know yourself better. And so that core I'm not enough can come from something as innocuous as you running in excited and mom dad being tired or stressed out repeatedly telling you just too much, you know, or we need you to be reading instead of going out and making a mass or whatever it is that you're excited about not being met with total openness because your parents are human and they're not totally present in the moment.

02;14;08;06 - 02;14;31;02
Speaker 2
And so because that causes a feeling of rejection in our little selves and we don't have the wisdom to distance ourselves from it and be objective, we have to create a reason why. So the world still feels safe. The only reason that we can point to is ourselves. So anything that causes that kind of pain of rejection can then result in.

02;14;31;02 - 02;14;49;28
Speaker 2
Well, there must be something wrong with me. If only I were more quiet. If only I got better grades, if only because now sometimes our parents used to, and this is from my parents generation. Try and motivate through comparison. Well, then that makes it even worse, right? Because for me, it was my older sister. Look at how much she's studying.

02;14;49;28 - 02;15;10;00
Speaker 2
Or look at Johnny down the street. You know, he did X, Y, or Z then that I'm not enough chasm grows even further because now I'm not like my So that's the innocuous and then it goes all the way to true harm and neglect and abuse, right? There are people who have experienced true harm in the hands of those that were supposed to keep them safe.

02;15;10;08 - 02;15;34;05
Speaker 2
And again, it isn't safe to believe that the people who are raising you are unsafe because then you think you're not going to survive. The safest bet is to believe there's something wrong with me. So if only I could fix what's not enough, then I will get the love or the acceptance that I need. And I am just here to say that part of us lives within every single one of us.

02;15;34;14 - 02;15;59;03
Speaker 2
Even if you've gone to therapy for a decade, they're that self that's trapped and I'm not enough. And if you're not aware of it, it creates the noise you and I were just talking about. It's the one that fills your head with the anxious, fearful thought when you need to take a bet on yourself and it's the one that is drowning out your intuition because it believes I to replay this thought to keep you alive.

02;15;59;09 - 02;16;00;21
Speaker 2
So I'm going to do my job.

02;16;01;19 - 02;16;27;09
Speaker 1
Yeah. And if anybody out there who has worked with hypnotherapist like I have, you recognize that the subconscious mind, you can reprogram that. I have a beautiful hypnotherapist here in Del Mar who is just amazing at getting me to, you know, reprogram. Right. And so you got to understand the power of that. It it just does what it's told, right?

02;16;27;10 - 02;16;55;26
Speaker 1
It just is. So you can break free from a lot of this by doing your own affirmations. You don't even have to go to a hypnotherapy and really just kind of repeat those affirmations because you then begin to start to believe it. Now, this next question is for those high achievers who are probably using hypnotherapist to help them achieve even more.

02;16;55;26 - 02;17;20;04
Speaker 1
And this is where we talk about purpose, because your book does that. You've worked with so many of them in Fortune 500 companies and and CEOs and celebrities, and they're all kind of listed at your website and are at the top in their field. The top rate. But as Marshall Goldsmith said to me, it's like, when is enough, enough?

02;17;20;26 - 02;17;42;20
Speaker 1
You know, you could be the CEO of three companies have five different houses, have, you know, $2 billion in the bank. And you're saying, I got to do more. Right, right, right. And it's because you're so programed, you're so into it. That's what happens. He coaches people just like you do who are having the same issue. So what's the difference between doing a job and living your purpose?

02;17;42;20 - 02;17;54;23
Speaker 1
Because so many of these people could be focused more on doing more purposeful work, yet aren't because they don't believe they've made it enough? Yeah, not enough.

02;17;55;17 - 02;18;28;24
Speaker 2
I love this question. I really believe that we have confused a job with purpose for far too long. Your job, hopefully, is the way you make money through your purpose. At the very best case scenario, that is what your job is, your purpose is, your entire reason for existing in this timeline, in the identity you're in, and what that means is so much of your purpose and your preparedness to do your purpose is totally organic.

02;18;29;06 - 02;18;57;24
Speaker 2
It doesn't require a lot of your consciousness because the natural skill sets, you have things that just come to you easily and the things that make you fulfilled when you do them. Those two things together, that's your purpose, whatever that is. For me, it was naturally problem solving. Like I said, very easy for me to see forest through the trees and it fulfilled me to watch people see that for themselves.

02;18;57;24 - 02;19;26;11
Speaker 2
So that started to inform me around my purpose. But I live that purpose as a mother with the way I parent my teenagers, I live that purpose as a community member with the, you know, nonprofits that I work with. I live that purpose obviously in my career. So I think it's really important for us not to believe that purpose is either reserved for those who, you know, give up their lives and go become monks on a mountaintop, or that you have to be a billionaire to be able to live your purpose.

02;19;26;21 - 02;19;49;24
Speaker 2
You are your purpose. That is why you are here. You cannot extricate yourself from it. It's about awareness. What is it that I'm good at? What fulfills me? That's your purpose. How am I doing it? In little ways. And big ways every day. And I think that the CEOs I've seen who feel detached from their purpose is because they've bought into the scarcity mindset that.

02;19;49;24 - 02;20;17;09
Speaker 2
They can't have both things, that they can't live this purposeful life and succeed to the extent they want to succeed. There's nothing wrong with being high achiever. There's nothing wrong with wanting to accumulate success and wealth. But we have been taught that those things for some reason are in crosscurrents and leaders will trade in their values, their integrity, their purpose, because they think that that's what they need to do to succeed.

02;20;17;09 - 02;20;21;07
Speaker 2
And that's when I see them the most disconnected from that true part of their spirit.

02;20;22;02 - 02;20;51;01
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's the little voice inside that I think no matter where they got it from, it, and I can't tell you I know where mine came from, but it's like, So what did you do for me today? Right? Meaning like, Hey, you came to work, you're here. And it's like, okay, what did I do for the company? The question should not be, What did we do today?

02;20;51;19 - 02;21;21;24
Speaker 1
It should be, What did I receive as a result of being here that made me a better person for everybody else that worked in this company as well. Yeah. So in your book, you take us through this beautiful three part journey. You call it becoming disconnected, the crisis of disconnection and becoming reconnected. So when someone realizes they're living disconnected, like many we're talking about now, and like you said at the beginning of this, we're not alone.

02;21;22;06 - 02;21;50;01
Speaker 1
We've all been through this. But when they become disconnect from their higher self, maybe they're they're let's say maybe they're reading your book or listening to this conversation thinking, that's me, that's me. So where do they start and what's the first step on the path? And I originally formulated this question as far as saying the path back, it isn't about the path back.

02;21;50;25 - 02;22;01;23
Speaker 1
You are this already right? You just need to claim it. You don't have to go back anywhere. You just need to step into it and discover it. It's there.

02;22;02;05 - 02;22;03;16
Speaker 2
Yeah, you just have to remember.

02;22;04;01 - 02;22;04;11
Speaker 1
Right?

02;22;04;12 - 02;22;07;05
Speaker 2
Literally, you've just forgotten.

02;22;07;05 - 02;22;07;19
Speaker 1
Yeah.

02;22;07;26 - 02;22;32;11
Speaker 2
Look, I mean. Oh, my gosh. I want you to pay attention to the parts of you that are suffering. I want you to pay attention so that you can start to have the awareness. I don't. Do I have to live this way is suffering a part of Is it a you know, to your point about Byron, Katie, I love this question.

02;22;32;17 - 02;22;58;07
Speaker 2
Do you know this to be 100% true? Do you want it to be 100% true that suffering is required for you to succeed or for you to be in this family or in this relationship, or to get love? And I really think that question cracks you open, because I don't think that we have ever been given the dignity truly to stop and say, do I deserve to somehow live without suffering?

02;22;58;24 - 02;23;23;20
Speaker 2
Do I deserve to have internal peace in my life? And I think that what will happen if you ask yourself that question and really take the space to listen is you'll hear this part of your soul, the one that says, I didn't come here to suffer. I came here to express myself in the greatest capacity possible. And whatever that part feels like to you, get curious about that part.

02;23;23;20 - 02;23;44;23
Speaker 2
We are far too curious about our fear voice. We are far too curious about what anxiety is doing and why we have it and what it thinks. But we're not that curious about this knowing self this like terminal part. So when you start to feel it and by the way, every interview I've done, I have heard just hearing us talk about it sparks this part of you.

02;23;44;29 - 02;24;11;00
Speaker 2
So whatever is sparking right now as you're listening, get curious about that spark. Who is that part of you? What does that part want? What Does that part believe you know really well what the limited self believes? What does the limitless self-belief about yourself, that curiosity is genuinely your pathway to remembering who you are really, and seeing the rest of it as just an illusion of survival that you've been in?

02;24;12;06 - 02;24;41;23
Speaker 1
And I'll add trusting it. Yeah. See, the thing is, is that you've been using the other side so long that when this comes along, it's not familiar. You've got to get comfortable with it, You've got to get comfortable with that aspect of your being, which is telling you you are enough. Yes. And so what I'm here to say is that Maury is telling you you are enough.

02;24;42;03 - 02;25;10;10
Speaker 1
I'm telling. But here comes the question, Maury. You know, you met Ria, who predicted your divorce and told you that you were meant to teach people how to come back to themselves. Yeah. Okay. That moment of receiving validation from someone else about your past. Ironic, given your teachings about not outsourcing our power. Yeah, we're talking about right now.

02;25;11;03 - 02;25;40;02
Speaker 1
How do you balance learning mentors and guides with trusting your own intuition? And I really should reframe this. How do you think people outside listening to this podcast should balance the learning from mentors and guides so that they can trust this wisdom? Because in reality we can read all the books we want, listen to all the podcasts we want, go to all the workshops we want, do all the things we want to do.

02;25;40;02 - 02;26;02;14
Speaker 1
In the end, when we walk away, we should be fulfilled in knowing that we are whole. Yeah, and that we can live this way yet frequent we we leave events those podcasts, those books thinking the same thing we thought before because we've just been nudged but not nudged enough. Mm hmm.

02;26;02;14 - 02;26;18;15
Speaker 2
I dedicated my book to Ria because what Ria really did for me was hold up a mirror. She didn't tell me what, Right. I thought. I mean, she's also you'll see in book she's a psychic and a medium. And I didn't believe in any of that when I first met her, so I thought she was crazy the first time she told me these things.

02;26;18;15 - 02;26;37;18
Speaker 2
And then stuff started happening, and I started to realize, okay, this is valid. But what Ray did for me and what I hope to do for people is not tell you this is the path you need to do. One, then two, then three. What Ray did for me is hold up a mirror and say, Wow, look at yourself.

02;26;38;06 - 02;27;01;28
Speaker 2
Look at your ability to make good, look at your knowing. Do you see how intuitive you are? Let's review all the things that you were right about as you knew them. And that mirror helped me remember. So I think that the way you balance it is ask yourself, am I trying to craft myself in the image of this coach or mentor or guru?

02;27;02;08 - 02;27;26;16
Speaker 2
Is that what they want, by the way? Because there's plenty of people out there with egos big enough that that is what they desire. Or is this coach or mentor or guide showing me how to find myself again and craft myself an image of my greatest dignity, my greatest knowing. That's how you tell the difference. But I do think you need people sometimes to come knock, knock, remind you.

02;27;26;22 - 02;27;27;11
Speaker 1
Hey, yeah.

02;27;27;23 - 02;27;47;07
Speaker 2
Wake up. You not living in the total truth of what you're capable of. And I think that those people are priceless. I think it's the ones who then want to you follow their exact way of doing things that you should be wary of, because then that's not really about guiding you back to yourself.

02;27;48;03 - 02;28;17;27
Speaker 1
Well For all my listeners, you're going to go to our website because you put a link below and she is going to be want one of the transformational coaches that will provide you with that kind of guidance. Not telling you, but allowing you to find it. Now can you talk to the listeners about the relationship between trust flow and achieving what we truly desire?

02;28;17;27 - 02;28;40;02
Speaker 1
I think in Finding your Higher Self, these are three aspects that we need to get in alignment with. The biggest one probably trust, the second one being flow and then achieving what we truly desire. You know, and you've gone through this many times in your life, so you certainly can speak about it.

02;28;40;23 - 02;29;01;29
Speaker 2
Yeah, you know, I think trust is the hardest one because it's really hard to believe in things You can't see. And my asking you to trust your higher self is really Herculean for a lot of people because there's not a lot of physical evidence that it even exists. So that is why I say, look at your life for evidence.

02;29;02;09 - 02;29;27;12
Speaker 2
Find evidence in your life for this aspect that has been guiding you and that has been right. And you know, the words I try to live by for myself is, you know, you either can choose to trust or you can choose to suffer and believe that you have control over this outcome. Which one, which one has worked in the past and which one feels better and which feels worse.

02;29;27;20 - 02;29;54;07
Speaker 2
And for me, this total trust I have in my higher self, in my own abilities feels more empowering and fulfilling and less desperate and depressed and anxious. So I choose trust because I have learned over time I deserve not to be weighed down by all of those negative feelings. And as you trust, what I say is look for evidence.

02;29;54;11 - 02;30;16;23
Speaker 2
Keep looking for evidence in the future as you're trusting what comes to you when you let go and trust versus when you hold on really tightly or you keep, you know, how you keep working that thing over in your brain and over and over again because you think the solution is going to show up. Does it actually ever show up when you're in that anxious loop or does something else open when you trust and you let go?

02;30;16;24 - 02;30;49;26
Speaker 2
So that's the hardest part. But I think it's about looking for the evidence flow is about remaining in that state of, receiving what is coming. When you're in the trust state of noticing of clocking it, you know, keeping track of, oh wow, that opportunity came in. I that really interesting person. I like the way I showed up. I like the way I felt when I was on that stage, giving that talk, whatever it is, feeling that flow and locking that into yourselves, recognizing that as a real experience, when I'm in flow, this is what it feels like.

02;30;50;09 - 02;31;13;06
Speaker 2
And when you're able to lock that in and experientially understand what it is, you're more likely to achieve your desires because your whole system recognizes that frequency, it recognizes flow, it recognizes trust, and it says, Now I'm going to detect more of the same and the, you know, vise versa. It's true. So many of us are living in the contraction.

02;31;13;06 - 02;31;34;08
Speaker 2
The fear that it's not possible. And that's what life is reflecting back to us. So that's why I talk about trust and flow and achieving your desires in that order, because it basically raises your force, it raises your frequency, and at that frequency, more is available to you. And as you start to believe that more is available, you start to make it happen.

02;31;34;08 - 02;32;12;00
Speaker 1
Well, and I think something that we haven't talked about yet, but one of your final chapters, and I'm in it called Self Love, you know, and I personally beat myself up for years about not being enough, right? So it's really kind of hard to love yourself when you're telling yourself you're not enough. But then what happens is you get angry because sometimes you can't ever achieve what you've set out.

02;32;12;00 - 02;32;37;19
Speaker 1
It's like you reaching for something and it's like it just keeps moving further and further away, right? Because either the goal was too much or whatever. So it's it's hard for one to get into this space of accepting what is going in the flow and trusting because they're mistrusting, think they're in control. You're never in control. Anyone of us out there is never in control.

02;32;37;28 - 02;33;08;27
Speaker 1
Right. The other thing is if you're waiting for someone else in your life to make you happy, you're going to wait forever, right? This is an inside job. So this final chapter is entitled Emanating Love. After this entire journey of healing, reconnecting, and embodying our high herself. As you say, it all comes back to love. Now, let's define this not romantic love necessarily, but something deeper, right?

02;33;09;07 - 02;33;34;13
Speaker 1
I'm not certain A lot of people know what that deeper love is to me. I'll just call it pure, unlimited love. Pure, unlimited love. Like Dr. Steven posts. Can you talk with us about what it means to emanate love from your higher self and how this changes everything in our life?

02;33;34;13 - 02;33;58;19
Speaker 2
It all comes back to understanding your inherent worth. And what I tell people to do is visualize a child that you love in your life right now can be a niece or a nephew or daughter or son, whatever. And just think about the way you feel about them. And then I want you to picture at that same age, do you feel that same feeling towards that version of yourself?

02;34;00;13 - 02;34;26;08
Speaker 2
If not, there's your in there's your pathway and right there is learning to look at that version of yourself with the same adoration. Right now I have a 16 year old girl I have a lot of shame at 16 because of the decisions I made. And I am really learning that when I look at her with such all that, what I need is to look at 16 year old me with the same ah, that's what love emanating love from the inside out is.

02;34;26;08 - 02;34;44;15
Speaker 2
Because when I can give myself, especially the version of myself, I'm ashamed of that much compassion. It becomes easier to give it to my self right now at 45. So it's really about reclaiming these parts of you that you've sort of siphoned off and decided you're not going to look at and look at them again to the same eyes.

02;34;44;15 - 02;35;00;15
Speaker 2
You would look at a child that you adore. And if you can't do that, then I want you to get curious why? Why can't I find this love for myself in there? Is it because it was never modeled for me? Is it because it wasn't given to me then? Those are your answers. But there's still more beyond that.

02;35;00;28 - 02;35;26;12
Speaker 2
When You can do that. It becomes easier to emanate love towards other people. We judge others because we judge ourselves. We shame others because we hold shame within ourselves and we fear others because we fear ourselves. So when you say it's an inside job, the entire thing is an inside job. The Way we relate to one another absolutely is tied to the way we relate to ourselves.

02;35;27;05 - 02;35;42;28
Speaker 2
So look for the parts of yourself that you're rejecting those are the parts that need your attention so that you can actually embody love towards other people. Because if you're rejecting a part of yourself, you're never actually open to fully accepting others.

02;35;44;24 - 02;36;21;26
Speaker 1
The SO well said, and I'll say this and hopefully it resonates with you. Much of the reason I think our older self, when it looks back at the younger self and says, Did I emanate or have this love for me? And as you said at the beginning here, many people go through many different experiences, you articulated the issue with your parents in New Mexico and the chaos and the fact that sometimes aren't so nice to their kids.

02;36;22;24 - 02;37;01;13
Speaker 1
So what I think goes on is this thing called adverse childhood. Mm hmm. Okay. And I have a doctor that I work with that I created an app for Aces and. You know, those aces, if you answer those questions, you recognize that the reason people become obese or because to protect from being hurt or whatever, because they were molested or whatever happened to them, or they go to drinking or drugs or alcohol, Pretty serious, Right.

02;37;01;23 - 02;37;28;22
Speaker 1
And those are hard situations to get out of. But I want to say to any listeners that are experiencing that today, Morey's Self book is an opportunity for you to reflect on what it is that you love about yourself, not what you have to be afraid of. Okay? And I know that fear drives a lot of people's decisions, but love should more drive your decision right?

02;37;28;22 - 02;38;00;15
Speaker 1
Versus fear. I'm afraid I won't have enough money. What have you said? I love myself and I know I can have enough no matter what I do. Okay, so these things are important. As we close this interview, I want to close on this note. What would you say to someone listening right now who feels that pull that whisper from a higher self, but hasn't connected, but is terrified, absolutely terrified to make the change?

02;38;01;02 - 02;38;12;05
Speaker 1
And what wisdom do you have for someone standing at the crossroads where you, Morey once stood?

02;38;12;05 - 02;38;40;28
Speaker 2
I'll tell you that your intuition whispers until it shouts and then it creates a crisis in your life to get your attention. So I think if you're standing at that crossroads like I did many times in my life and you feel the poll, I think what's important to ask yourself is, do I have the courage now to step into this belief of myself or do I want to wait until I'm shoved into it?

02;38;40;28 - 02;39;09;06
Speaker 2
Because the stepping in provides you more space and grace and it can become a dance between you and your intuition, your fear. You more space to learn about yourself. And oop, that was a fear thought. I'm not going to follow it. Okay? This is what intuition feels like. You can do it through baby steps. It's like buying yourself the time to learn how to walk versus ignoring and ignoring and ignoring until there's an explosion.

02;39;09;06 - 02;39;35;15
Speaker 2
You have to clean up, right? Whether that's a divorce that comes out of nowhere, whatever it looks like for you know that if your soul desires a change, you're not living in the truth of your spirit. You're not living your most expanded self. You are somehow contracting or quieting yourself because you're subscribing to limiting beliefs. Your soul will not abide by that forever.

02;39;36;00 - 02;39;59;00
Speaker 2
It is going to want to fully express itself. And so you can either choose to work with it and do it in this beautiful dance where you will be really taken care of. Or you can choose to learn through bigger, more dramatic circumstances. You'll still be okay. You'll still be okay, but maybe the suffering will be little bit more.

02;40;00;09 - 02;40;35;09
Speaker 1
What you I would say to my listeners, what you don't want to allow happen is live in this state so long that the manifest energy that you've created manifest in some type of this is this hyphen is so whether it turns into cancer whether you are afraid whatever it might be, really look at what you're doing to yourself because no one else is doing it to you.

02;40;36;01 - 02;41;05;23
Speaker 1
Okay? You are 100% for your own actions. And what I'm going to say is get this book Higher Self. Go to Maury's website. We can have a link below m0ryfonta in easy dot com. You're going to learn more. She talks from crisis to clarity The questions. It's a great Web site. Go check her out on YouTube as well.

02;41;06;07 - 02;41;36;22
Speaker 1
Obviously check out this podcast which will be promoting for her and this new book and if you're interested and actually hiring to come speak at your company, it's there You can look at a video that she's done, which is awesome, actually Maury's method. And you can get to that how your crisis can create your awakening. Everything she's been talking about and she says this isn't self-help itself trust.

02;41;36;22 - 02;41;51;07
Speaker 1
So that's really the key. This is not self-help itself Trust. Maury, I've appreciated any last words before we depart this before we go on to bigger and better things, you and I.

02;41;51;23 - 02;42;12;14
Speaker 2
Greg, Thank you for having me and also for the work you do. I think it's really important that these conversations exist in every corner of the world. And I think the way you're having these conversations are really meeting this underserved community that might be a little cynical about the things we talk about. But I think you do it in a way and you invite people on in a way that can help people meet them where they're at.

02;42;12;14 - 02;42;16;01
Speaker 2
And so I've just been really grateful to be here with you and to get to know you.

02;42;16;01 - 02;42;32;28
Speaker 1
Likewise, I have been as well, and I am going to be referring you some other great authors and people that I know love your work. Nana, stay to you. Thank you for being on inside Growth and spending this time with me and the thousands of listeners that are still listening at this point. Thanks so much more.

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Speaker 2
I thank you.