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Welcome back to Inside Personal Growth and another episode of our show. And Tia, it's actually Dr. Tia and it's Warwick W A R R I C K. And the name of her company is Lesus and that's spelled L E S O U S Consulting.

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And there you can actually just type that in lesousconsulting.com to find out more about her and what she's doing. Good day to you. How are you doing, Tia? I'm doing great. How are you? It's a pleasure having you on the show and it's good to talk with you today.

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And I'm sure that my listeners are going to learn a lot from the book. We're going to talk about life, but make it manageable because I know in this busy world today we're all trying to figure out what are some of the ways we can make it manageable.

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And I'm going to let my listeners know about you because you if somebody like you can make it manageable, then anyone else listening to this show can make it manageable because you are one busy lady. So Dr. Tia Warwick is a trailblazer in every sense.

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She holds a bachelor's in biology and a master's in Public health with a focus on epidemiology and a doctorate in health sciences and clinical health education. Now, if that doesn't tell you that she has to master her time and her life, nothing would because she's got all those degrees.

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Her academic journey, marked by her early graduation and accelerated achievements, reflects rose unparalleled commitment to knowledge and success. Not only to say that she has three books, this one that we're going to be talking about and she has one called Burst the Bubble and you can learn more about the books at the website.

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Beyond her extensive research experience, she serves as an educator and a crafting impactful course curriculums and programs. She imparts knowledge as a mentor, providing invaluable guidance in research methodologies and career advising, shaping the next generations of professionals in this field.

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Tia's industry leadership journey encompasses roles from coordinator and clinical research associate CRA to Project Manager, Senior Project Manager, global Project Manager, Data Manager, Director and now CEO working with renowned global and international pharmaceutical and biotech companies.

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Wow. We got through that, Tia. We did. Her expertise you can look at it. The website is there. Feasibility consulting, strategic finance, expertise in epidemiology, efficiency in business operations and career preparedness and research consulting.

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So that's a lot. And you're a very busy lady. And I want to thank you for taking the time and I want to thank you for writing this book, because based on what I just said in the last three minutes, people are like, well, how does this lady find time to do anything? So you open your book with this power moment of realization about burnout and the pressures of trying to do it all.

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Can you tell the listeners what led you to share more and to write this book and why this was such a compelling book for you to write because you must have seen yourself and other people going through the challenge.

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Absolutely. It's a really good question. So I wrote it's been like a journey the past year. So I wrote what the heel about me just healing from my past and all the things I had to overcome to get where I am today. And once I actually finished that book, I felt a weight lifted off my shoulders, and I felt a different type of energy within me, and I was able to reclaim my power and reclaim what was meaningful to me in life.

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And I was always, you know, kind of emotionally stunted. And I think that a lot of people can truly, you know, resonate with that were always being stimulated and overwhelmed, whether it's through work, family, relationships.

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And so having that time to really look through and start that healing journey and process really gave me perspective. And that perspective led me into realizing the way I was going. I was burning both ends of the stick, and I was going to be, you know, not going into a space that would have been the most productive or healthy.

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And that's where I came to the realization through the healing process, that I. I was. I was in detriment to burnout. And a lot of the things that I was doing was great on paper, you know, all the accomplishments and things of that nature. But I was doing that at what expense?

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Right. Some. Oftentimes I expended my mental health. Oftentimes I expended, you know, my relationships with family or, you know, just becoming completely addicted to work and addicted to proving that I am more than my circumstances.

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So it was a very heavy process. But what led me to that realization was just everything that I'd been through. And then it just hit me, and I'm just like, I can't keep going the way that I'm going. And needless to say not to state that I will stop Any of the things that I'm doing, but it's the way that I'm going about it.

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Right. So changing and shifting my mindset, changing and shifting how I allocate my energy, really thinking about my emotional currency. And so that's what really led me to the epiphany that, yeah, I'm experience, experiencing burnout.

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I have depersonalization. I, you know, feeling less sensitive towards things that I usually would. I am having a hard time feeling any kind of emotion. I'm always tired, I'm always exhausted and irritable.

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And it's just one of those things where I felt the things that I used to enjoy became another checklist. And I realized that that wasn't a really healthy path to go down. So writing this book was very eye opening for me and it's something that helps me in my journey to get back on track in my mindset.

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Well, I'm sure it'll help a lot of our listeners as well because we've all been to those brinks, those points of like, oh my gosh, you're in burnout now. I have a question for you. You know, did you come from a family of overachievers or were you the one that had something that you wanted to say?

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I always just had an interview just prior to you with a gentleman that coach John Wooden was one of his mentors and he knew him personally, which is the real famous coach, ucla, now deceased.

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But the point was, is that is it my best or is it the best? Right. There's a big difference because once you really recognize that it's my best, I'm doing the best that I can, not the best, what somebody else thinks I should be doing to be the best.

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And then it's a situation of not enough. So my question is, did you come from a household where there was a lot expected of you that you literally had to continue to excel? Because, you know, you look at all of the credentials you have, it's pretty massive when you think about it at your young age.

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You're, you're, you're not that old. Yeah, I mean, I came from a very large family, first generation Caribbean immigrant family. And so my mom and dad didn't have like, you know, college degrees. They didn't go to college, but they worked seven days a week.

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And it was that work ethic that kind of drove me to want, to achieve, to want more, because I seen how hard they were working for me to have that. And there was a lot of expectation, but it wasn't necessarily an offense to achieve. It was, in a sense, to survive.

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Right. We were always in that mindset of survival and not necessarily living, given the large family that they had to provide for. So I did kind of feel the pressure. I kind of put it on myself, to be honest. I wanted a better life for myself.

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I wanted a better life for my family. And so I worked really hard to achieve that. And I think that my family, in their own way, they're more creative, all of them are brilliant, and they're all achievers in what they're passionate about. And so me specifically, I am really, really, really excited about science and all the things stem.

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So that's just where I poured my passion and energy into. And so that, that overachieving piece came from the need of, of not wanting to work seven days a week. And, and, and ironically enough, I was literally going down that path in a different, in a different font, so.

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Well, really interesting. And I, I see where you've decided to do a mind shift change and look at it in a different perspective. Whereas my parents were super hard workers too, and I saw how hard they had to work to give us a better life.

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Right? And I think that's true in a lot of families. It's just not yours, it's not mine. It's probably thousands of listeners out there. And in chapter one, you talk about illusion of control. You discuss how control is a myth that we cling to for security.

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How can people start letting go of the need to control every aspect of their lives without feeling like they are spiraling into a chaos? Because here's the reality is like, if you can't detach from things, right?

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Instead of if you have an expectation or you've got a goal you want to achieve, let's just use that. And a lot of times our goals of our visual, of the goal doesn't match actually how it turns out. Right. We all know that it usually never does exactly the way you're thinking, oh, I've got this guy and I do this, this, this and this.

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And you're one that really understands this. So what advice would you give to people to kind of learn how to let go of control and just trust that things are going to be okay? Because I think people go into a fear mode, then. Yeah, and there's, there's a three prong approach I talk about in chapter one, mindset, action and reaction.

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And a great example that you were stating. When I was in undergrad, I had, you know, this big idea. I wanted to go to medical school. I'VE been studying for the MCAT since, like, middle school. And I wanted to be a cardiothoracic surgeon and all those things.

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And I had this idea of what I thought my life would be like. And I. I tried to control every aspect from every grade, every social extracurricular activity. Nothing that I did was for fun. It was to specifically exalt my outcome.

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And it became very analytical and very, you know, logical. And it was like, if I just make these checklists, if I just do these streamlines. I became a robot, so to speak, right? And I lost that human portion of myself that feels joy and that feels peaceful passion.

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And, you know, in the end, obviously, I'm not a cardiothoracic surgeon, but, you know, I shadowed a doctor, and I thought to myself, I wasted all these years, and I absolutely do not like this. And it was. It was an epiphany. I was at the hospital.

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It was in my junior year of undergrad college, and I was just standing there watching the surgery. And surgery is fine. I'm not squeamish with blood. But I just thought to myself, I don't want to work in a hospital. I don't want to answer to administration. I don't want to have high malpractice insurance.

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Like, I have so much immense respect for medical doctors. It just wasn't for me. And so it was. It was in that moment, it's almost comical, that I tried to control everything, and in the end, it wasn't what you wanted or it wasn't how you. How you thought it would be.

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And so that's the mindset shift, that it's okay that you can have these particular outlooks and goals for yourself, but just be open. That's the biggest mindset. That really is an excellent story, Tia, because, you know, there's a great example.

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I remember interviewing somebody or. Or hearing a story where the woman thought she wanted to be an anesthesiologist. And so she worked all these years to go to school and then decided that as an anesthesiologist. And this is.

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It really was an epiphany. She actually liked to interact with people. You don't interact with people when you're an anesthesiologist. You're virtually like, they're. They're out, and that's it. And they wake up from surgery and you're gone. Right. So the reality is she.

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She realized very late that this wasn't something she wanted to do, although that she'd studied for it forever and ever. And I get that I get that things change, they shift. And you have to be pliable and flexible, and that's what actually helps making life manageable.

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So let's talk about. You describe burnout as something that in your estimation, slowly creeps in rather than overnight. And I would agree. Burnout can be caused by a lot of things. You taking on too much or your skill set not matching what the expectations of them are.

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And that's where there's just a gap. So something has to happen. You either have to get smarter to be able to do what's being expected of you, because otherwise you are going to burn out. Right. So what are some of the early warning signs that people should pay attention to before reaching that point?

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I think that the earliest warning sign is when you do something that's a part of your everyday thing. Everybody has their own rituals. Right. No matter what it is, everybody does one thing a day that brings them joy without realizing it. Right.

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Even if you don't have the mindset of positivity, it's within our human nature to do something we like repetition. Humans love and crave repetition. And so I would say think about something that you do every day that you don't necessarily think about that brings you joy.

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And the moment you think about it and you, it doesn't bring you joy. That's when you know, burnout is starting to creep in. That's called emotional or depersonalization, emotional insensitivity. You're starting to become numb to things that, that you were once passionate about or things that you were happy about.

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That's the first step. Once you start having that emotional, you know, stunting, then comes the pushing people away, then comes the irritability. There comes the spiral into absolute madness and chaos and, and, and loss of, you know, feeling like you're losing control.

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But in the, in the grand scheme of things, you never had control to be in with. But that's the feeling that you experience when you're going through the stages of burnout. Yeah, and I think that, you know, a lot of times people will push themselves and they push themselves a little bit too for like you say, not having the feelings, meaning feelings that I'm feeling good about myself, I'm feeling good about others.

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Usually when you go into burnout too, you get angry, you get angry at yourself, and then you get angry at others because you have a short fuse as a result of it. Because either too much is being asked of you or you're not getting enough self love. You're not giving your enough self love to be able to manage your way through it.

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Now, you reference this productivity trap, but the productivity trap isn't really an inside thing, it's an outside thing. Frequently. And you say our culture glorifies overworking.

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How could people redefine as you have, and you've fortunately caught this soon enough, what their idea of success is? That's a really great question. I mean, it took me a very long time to create that metric, and I think that everybody has to find that definition for themselves.

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But I think some of the tools that can help them come to those, you know, that definition for themselves is thinking about, you know, is your success, money is your success, passion is your success. And like, what is your success like, what will bring you the most peace internally?

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And we have external things that says, okay, we need a house, we need a car, we need a marriage, we need kids. That's what they say to have this dream. That is not the metric. And oftentimes it's not the metric for many of us, but we do those things because that's what the standard is, that's what society says.

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And so maybe your metric is owning a tiki bar on, on a beach. I, I mean, I don't know. But you have to think to yourself, what brings you joy? Now there, there is a balance to that, right? So what brings you joy? Also, we can't ignore life and thinking about the things that we need to, to do as an adult, right?

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Take care of family, pay bills, all of those things. I'm not saying to completely be reckless and ignore those things, but when we think about the product productivity trap, we think that just because we check something off on a list that we're productive. But at the end of the day, you know, again, how is your energy levels at the end of the day?

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How do you feel about yourself? Right? Maybe you are able to hang another award on, on your wall, maybe you're able to get another shout out on social media, but how do you feel inside? That's, that's all that matters at the end of the day. And if you don't feel anything, if you don't feel happy, it's, it's become a little bit meaningless.

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So that productivity trap, just because we're doing more doesn't mean that it's meaningful to us. And so I think that we have to really start to look internally and think about what, what makes life meaning meaningful for us, because that's how we're able to manage life a little bit better. And I think oftentimes people neglect their emotions and neglect that themselves at the expense of their goals, their family and society.

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Yeah. You know, a long time ago, I taught a course on purpose, and then I wrote a course with my son called Never to Mind the Noise. Thriving. A world thriving in a world of ever increasing complexity. And one of the things that I remember, Tia, was the fact that if you can learn to love yourself, meditate or at least take some time for meditation so that you can get your head clear, it makes the day better.

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And do things that you love doing. Finding, whether it's, you know, taking a walk on the beach or in the woods or going to your gym or whatever it might be, you've got to kind of break it up. Because if you don't, what's going to happen is it's all that's going to be is, well, I've got to do the nets.

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The next, the next, the next, the next. And this brings me to what happens to people is when they hold this kind of energy. They also. You talk about two kinds of chaos, Good chaos and basically bad chaos.

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Can you speak about those two? And the energy drains. There can be. Good chaos to me, is when you're emotionally engaged and you're seeking to find a solution to get through it. It's almost like the tornado, the eye of the tornado.

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And the bad chaos is that stuff that's like draining my energy. It's like, it's a fight. I'm fight or flight to get out of the way of this thing. Speak with us, if you would, about those two and how we could better select the good chaos and in times of bad case chaos, get rid of that quicker.

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Absolutely. So I thought about, and I'm a professor, so I was teaching a class on public health and we were talking about different physical activity expenditure levels, right? And it dawned on me, it was like, if we can think about physical energy, why can't we also think about emotional energy?

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Physical energy is way easier to track because there's mets and there's legitimate quantitative aspects or variables that we can track at a biological level to say, okay, this is what your physical activity levels are. Right? There's. There's metrics when it comes to emotions, it's subjective.

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So it's really, really difficult, though there is some neuroscience pieces to that that can be used, but it hasn't been advanced in the field just yet. But beyond just creating those emotional metrics, you have to think to yourself, how well do you know your, your emotional currency?

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How well do you know your energy algorithm is what I call it. And so essentially, are you more productive, you know, in the morning, the afternoon, the night? How well do you know yourself? How well have you learned yourself? When do you feel that, you know, you are at your happiest?

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When are you at your saddest? Is really understanding, you know, what takes the most energy out of you, what doesn't, and understanding that pieces, all of that ties into something we call emotional intelligence. And that's the topic that's been increasing in popularity in the more recent years.

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But essentially, really understanding yourself is the key to really gauging and having that good chaos, bad chaos instinctive metric inside of you, that compassion, I would say, so to speak. And so it starts with truly understanding how to expend or allocate your emotions and your energy wisely.

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I used to be the type person that, you know, somebody would say, hey, do you want to go out for drinks? I would give them the longest answer. I would tell them about my cat that got let out the house and the dry cleaning I had to pick up or whatever it was. And all that time, all that mental energy and Olympics that I did just to say no, you know, it could have just been reallocated.

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I could have protected my peace. I didn't have to work myself up. I didn't have to create this, this illusion and this guilt that I felt inside. There was nothing to feel guilty about. So instead of, you know, second guessing or something like that, you can just say, no, I can't make it.

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Have fun. You know, though, thank you for asking that. That's it. You know, it doesn't have to be as complicated as we think. So think about the areas in your life where you're doing this mental olympics of expending all of this energy and all this emotional currency on things that you don't need to.

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And it's, it takes time and it takes practice. But then that will help guide your compass into understanding the good chaos and the bad chaos. The things that you know, while it will take more energy, while it will take more emotion, it, it makes you feel positive.

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It makes you feel like you're moving forward, forward, like you're, you're growing. The things that are bad chaos are the things that really deplete your energy, really deplete your emotional space, put you in a negative, mild space, mind space. Those are the things that you need to protect your peace from. And you need to think to yourself, okay, that is something that I will not allocate my, my emotional currency to.

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I will not allocate my, my energy to. So it's, it's those aspects and that's what I mean by shifting the mindset. Yeah. And it's a, you bring up a very important point because in those states you move to this depletion of energy and then you wonder why you're so damn tired.

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You're tired because you're not in the flow. You're fighting. And when they say fight or flight, they really mean it. It's almost like you're going to be attacked by a tiger and you're in that mode. The other thing physiologically, as you know, being a doctor is you're literally releasing cortisol into your system.

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And that cortisol is not a good thing that you want to be releasing. You want to be releasing oxytocin, something that's going to build you up some more serotonin, things that are going to make you happier. So find those things. As you said, set a boundary, say no.

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And feel okay about saying no because you have something, you're replacing what someone's offering you with with something that you believe is more important and it's okay to say no. And that brings me to your life detox. You know, you offer a one day reset method in the book.

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And I think people like to know about this because hey, we all can go on food detoxes and we can eliminate certain things or we can go on a water fast or a fruit juice fast or whatever. And the whole idea is to look at as, you know, somebody who studied cells more than anything, hopefully improve our healing because so many people will go on a fast to heal.

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So if I'm going to heal on your one day detox from stress, can you walk us through how simple this could be and how impactful your little one day program could be? Yeah, absolutely. So there's a few things you can do. First thing, put your phone on, do not disturb and do not read that email.

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It doesn't matter. It'll be there the day after. I get a ton of emails. We all have Outlook on our phone. It is so easy to check an email at 10:00 at night, 11:00 at night. Work doesn't turn off. We live in a society where it's so easy to be accessible.

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Make yourself inaccessible that day. Just completely turn off your phone and then I want you to take some time for yourself. Do something that you like and you enjoy. Right. Maybe you're just not a meditation person. Right? Meditation isn't for everybody. Maybe you don't like Eating healthy, right?

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But I would say do something that, that makes you happy, that brings you joy just for you. And if you live with a family or if you have children, find a nice space in the house, a nice quiet space. It doesn't have to be something elaborate. It doesn't have to be something that breaks the budget.

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It just has to be something that is for you and that is the best piece that you can do for your life detox. Think about some of the tools that we discuss in, you know, making a list of, of people, things that, that drain your energy, and start making mental note of that and build those boundaries, right?

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So it's really just taking a day for you to recalibrate, reshift your energy and, and focus on the things that energizes you so that when you start the next day all refreshed and detoxed and all those things, you can really start with the mindset.

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And when I say life detox, I mean completely removing all of the clutter that was in your brain and, and essentially creating that nice, neat clutter clarity that's needed for you to focus on the things that matter to you.

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And I think one of those things you say, clearing your brain. I would encourage people, whether you do morning notes or gratitude journals or whatever you might do. I learned this from David Allen, the getting things done guy. You know, you want to do a brain dump.

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And so the reality is write all this stuff down that you think you have to do and get it out of your brain and onto something, a piece of paper or on your computer or however you want to do it so that you feel freer. And you'll notice immediately that your whole body changes once you've gotten that stuff down on paper and you go, oh, that's not so hard, right?

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I'll do whatever it is that I can do my best today to get that done. Now, one of the things that I. I would probably assume, and I don't want to make a mass of my ass of myself, but that you've probably been a perfectionist many times in your life.

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You discuss perfectionism and how it holds us back. How can perfectionists start making peace with doing enough instead of striving for this impossible standard, which they're probably never going to meet anyway? I would say for me, as a lifelong, chronic perfectionism, there is no, there is no cure.

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But there are some treatments, mental treatment that I give myself when I catch myself being a perfectionist, it. It will not go away. You are, you're. I'm just wired as a perfectionist. So if you are a type A person, I'm sure you can understand what I'm saying.

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At some point, you just have to stop caring about whatever people think. And when people are perfectionists, it's. It's a. Honestly, 90% of it has nothing to do with them. It has to do with how the world perceives them.

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And so. And it ties back into that. Control is a myth, right? So just know that as long as you go into it with the mindset of, I gave it my best, I gave it my all, it is good enough, and that's all that matters. And I think that it's, again, giving yourself that confidence, giving yourself that, repeating it to yourself, you know, and it's.

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It's literally neuroscience. The more you tell yourself something, the more you begin to believe it. So it's rewiring those. Those neuronal pathways and retraining your mindset. Well, the subconscious mind is an extremely powerful tool, one that people don't realize that if they reprogram it like you're asking them to do, can make a huge impact on the outcome because of.

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Basically what you've done is it doesn't know any difference. So when you program it, it's just going to basically respond accordingly. So you've got the superconscious mind, the conscious mind, the subconscious mind. And so really get in and learn more about that, like what you said, the neural pathways and how to actually reprogram, whether it's through affirmation or mantras or statements that you would say to yourself.

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I know for a fact, because I recently just went through an arthroscopic surgery for a meniscus tear. And I went to my hypnotherapist, and he does hypnotherapy before I actually go in under the knife to the surgery.

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And you know this. As a doctor, you look for a clean field. You also look for very little or no loss of blood. And every time I've done this with Steve, I lost only 5 milliliters of blood, which is like a spoonful.

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And the nurses and doctors after I come out from surgery, they always go, what did you do? And I said, I went to my hypnotherapist before I came in here. And they're always like, are you kidding me? I could imagine their reactions to that. But that is the thing I've ever heard.

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Like, that is amazing. It is essentially brain programming. It is brain programming, and you really realize how powerful it is. I mean, it is really powerful. So, you know, look, building resilience. We live in a world today which everything almost seems uncertain.

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I think people who are looking for predictability right now, it would be tough to say, to try and predict too much of anything about what might happen tomorrow or what might happen, but you can only be in control of what you can be in control of.

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How can people cultivate resilience without falling into this trap of what you say, toxic positivity. Yeah, that's really good. I fell into this toxic positivity trap at the expense of my own mind.

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Mindset. Right? So I was seeing results, and because I was seeing the results I wanted, I thought everything was okay. Right. And so just because you get positive results doesn't mean that everything's okay with you. Your health mentally, your health physically.

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Right? And so you. When you think about toxic positivity, especially at work, you know, let's say you are working at a job and you're doing. We've all fell into at least one job where we did the job of, like, three people, you know, entry level, you know, they didn't.

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They couldn't pay us much. And. And we started. We started in some way, shape or form in that. And you just keep working hard, hard, way above the job description, way above your pay grade. And you keep getting this amazing positive response from your peers, amazing response from your boss.

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Keep up the great work, do more. You're doing fantastic. If employee of the month, everybody, this is the model employee. Like, this is the person you need to aspire to be. That is amazing, that is positive, but it's very toxic. You know, it's essentially giving positive reinforcement to a broken environment.

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And so do not give yourself positive reinforcement to your broken environment. You have to think to yourself, am I okay? Not just in this particular result, but holistically, in every aspect of your life. Am I okay mentally? Am I okay physically, emotionally?

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Am I okay with my family? Am I okay with my friends? Results, it's just that results, it's just a metric. It doesn't make the entirety of your life. And. And the sooner you realize that, the better you can make it manageable because you'll look back after you've gotten all the results, and you're like, where do I go from here?

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Who's left? What do I do? How do I pick up these pieces? How do I even recognize myself? And so before it gets that far, definitely think about. Think about how toxic positivity is impacting your life. Yeah, you bring up such an important point about, you know, I'M trying to remember the statement, but to those who have the ability, much is like given, right?

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And there. So they're constantly being given more and more and more and more to do. And like you used the example of the boss who said, oh, you're doing great, yeah, rah rah, gets the employee of the month, blah, blah, blah. And by the way, here's even something more and something more and something more.

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And believe me, unless you set some boundaries, you literally are going to run into burnout and you are going to need to say, no, I can't do it. At some point you're going to say no. So throughout this whole book, you're trying to make life manageable.

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You're trying to give people advice on what is going to be some of the principles to make life manageable. If readers walk away from this book and there's just one life changing lesson, what would you hope that it would be?

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And how might they apply that into their life? Absolutely. And I thought about this and there's a passion passage of personal story that I talk about in the book of me standing at this vault and everyone is coming up to the vault and they're just taking and I'm freely giving, I'm freely giving happily, my passion for others, my love for others, my positivity for others.

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I'm just giving and I'm giving and I'm giving and I'm giving to everybody else. I want everybody else to be amazing. Until one day I decided to turn around and go into that same vault and give something to myself. And throughout that, that analogy and that story, nothing changed, right?

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The vault didn't change, my environment didn't change, the people around me did not change. But I did. I. The only thing that changed at the end of that was I decided to give myself what I so freely gave others. And why do we, why do we not do that?

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Why do we not give ourselves what we freely give others? And so I had to take a second and say, you know what? I'm going to turn around and I'm going to reach into this vault for me too. And so a lot of people think that, you know, if I just create another calendar, if I create another list, that things will get better.

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But I, I just want people to know that when to make life truly manageable, you have to truly change you, your mindset. It doesn't matter what your environment will be like. If you have that internal peace, if you feed yourself the same way you feed everybody else around you, that is what's going to make your life manageable.

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And that's what I truly want people to take away from this, to be kind to themselves, to really learn themselves. And it's only through learning yourself that you can learn to love yourself. And so those are the biggest pieces that I want people to take away. Well, Tia, the, the analogy about the vault is a good one because I think going into the vault and taking out something for yourself, and that to me would be the self love.

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Because when you're giving, giving, giving, you're usually giving people support, you're helping them with something, you're answering questions, you're doing whatever it is that you do to actually help and guide them. And a lot of people keep coming back in, asking for more.

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Right. And what I like is at some point you're saying, no, you know, you guys have to learn it on your own. You have to go this on your own. I know when you're a teacher, like you are of students that are on the path, they just have to get the experience.

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It's like you said, hey, I wasn't afraid of the blood when I watched this thoracic heart surgeon do what he did. At some point you have to get in there with your own hands and start working with it, right? And that's why they have those surgery centers where all the students are gathered around looking down on the doctor doing what he's doing.

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So. But at some point they're going to move from the chairs, looking at the doctor actually being in that operating room. So you give some great advice here in this book. And for my listeners, just, just go to L E S o u s consulting.com to learn more about Dr.

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Tia Warwick and her books. Her and her books. We will put a link to Amazon to this book. This book is releasing on April 3rd of this year. So this would be a great book for you to get, for you to kind of decide how you're going to manage your life and what are some of the tools that you could use to manage your life.

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Dr. Warwick, I appreciate you being on. Namaste to you. Thank you for. Thank you for taking the time to address our listeners. Any last words? I would say just do something you love today, guys. It was fantastic being on the show.

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Thank you so much, Greg. I really appreciate it and it was great conversation. You are very knowledgeable and you're just fantastic. So thank you. Well, thank you very much for the compliment. And to you, a compliment about all the work you've done, the books that you've written and the work you're doing with, you know, students and in the public health arena.

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Again, for all my listeners, go to the website. We'll put links to those website and have a wonderful rest of your day up in. You said Buffalo. You're in Buffalo, right? Buffalo, New York. Buffalo, New York. Will you enjoy it? I think if I thank you for listening to this podcast on Inside Personal Growth.

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