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This is Greg Voice and the host of Inside Personal Growth. I've been doing this jan now for 17 years and over 1205 podcasts or something like that. I don't know how I made it this far, but I was still here and it's because I love what I.

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Do and I love meeting authors.

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Now this author is in San Diego and her name is Jan Phillips. And she's not only the author of this great new title that we're going to talk about today, Stop Seeking, start finding.

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It might be a little bit out.

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Of focus there, but the reality is A book of hours for spiritual evolutionaries is the subtitle. Jan, welcome to Inside Personal Growth. You've been a personal friend for over 15, 20 years. We've known each other a long time.

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Love you and you really know how.

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To write a good book.

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Hey good. Thank you.

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And today this one I'm going to let our listeners know a tad bit about you so that they've got an idea of your incredible journey that you've taken. And I'd encourage you, for those who want to know more, to go to her website.

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It's Jan Phillips. J A N P h I l L-I-P s.com pretty easy. We'll also put a link in the show notes, we'll put a link at YouTube and it'll be linked everywhere that you see it. So Jan is a visionary thought leader, an award winning author and dynamic speaker.

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She's the co founder and executive director of Loving Kindness foundation and at her website you can click on that and get to there too. She's worked in 23 countries presenting keynotes, workshops, retreats. She's created unique multi sensory experiences, weaving, humor, storytelling, video and music to inspire and ignite insight for life changing action.

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Jan shows people how to access their wisdom, activate their creative energy and communicate with passion and power. Her on her quest which has led her into and out of religious communities and closing that of one of the Catholic religions.

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She was a nun at one point, across the USA on a Honda motorcycle and around the world on a one woman peace pilgrimage. Bending the east and west, art and activism, reflection and ritual. Jan's presentations are transformative, uplifting and soul stirring.

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You can find so many of works finding the on ramp to your spiritual path all the way down to born gay to the art of original thinking which is one of the books I picked up off the shelf just the other day. All these books are and many of them are Amazon and she's won numerous awards.

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You can also Find some of her videos on YouTube. Jan Phillips is what you would type in to do that. She's got a YouTube channel, but if you don't know, go to the website first and check it out. So, Jan, that's the introduction, but that's really not all of who you are.

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So I always like to dig deeper, because this title, as you've written later in life, because you've had so many other previous books about different things, it's a really powerful title.

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You know, Stop Seeking and start finding. Did you have some kind of aha moment that led you to want to write this book and put all these pictures in it and these quotes and poetry and all the kind of thing.

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That'S sprinkled throughout it?

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And what. What was your purpose? What did you want people to wake up to?

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Well, my aha moment was lined by Rumi, which is behind my line, when he wrote, stop learning, start knowing. And that really stopped me in my tracks, because stop learning seems like bad advice.

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Coupled with start knowing just means quit looking around to see what everyone else knows and go down inside yourself, see what you know. And knowing is deeper than the concept of knowledge.

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It's not intellectual, it's not academic. Knowing is like a cellular knowing, a connect, a knowing of communion and connectedness. So it was. It was no leap at all from stop learning, start knowing to stop seeking, start finding.

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Because in my own spiritual path, of course. Of course. Especially raised Catholic. Right. What. What religion can separate you the most from God?

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And, yeah, I would say you were in it.

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Catholics do a very good job at that with their Sistine Chapel and everything else. So I had to first overcome the notion that I wasn't already inside of that great thing. And once I did that, I could stop seeking.

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And instead of spending an hour a day reading, I could just spend an hour a day in. In celebration of the greatness of my life, that I'm connected so organically to my own source.

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Yeah, of really who you are, you know, and. And your life journey has been really. If somebody was. Do a documentary, it would be a good documentary.

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I would love to see that documentary.

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About Jan Phillips and the challenges you.

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Had with the Catholic Church as a.

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Nun and you being kicked out and all the other things. But, you know, this lifelong journey really is. You're an artist, you're creative, you're spiritual, you're an activist, you're gay, you've got.

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All of these labels that people put on you.

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But the reality is, is that you're.

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Jan and you're A Beautiful Soul. How does this book encapsulate the essence of what you've learned along the way?

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Because, I mean, you know, I don't.

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Even know if I could put it all together because.

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And there is a path. I mean, if people really look at it, you.

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You could weave the dots together. As Steve Jobs says, you can't weave them looking backwards, but you certainly can.

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Weave the dots together looking forward.

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Right. You know, this book is the simplest book because it follows a pattern, and I think we love patterns. And so I think it took my life journey to understand what are some of the seductive patterns you can incorporate into your creative work so that people can't ignore it.

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And so the pattern for this one, I mean, if you flip through the book, you're going to see there's. There's four elements for every prayer time of the day. It's based on the Book of Hours, which is neither here nor there.

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It's just a formula for breaking up the day. So the monks in the Middle Ages created what they call divine office, and it allowed them to stop everything they're doing and pray at eight different times of the day.

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And we can. We've heard the words LODs, we've heard the words Vespers. The other six times a day are a little bit more abstract and unknown to us. But this is a book of hours.

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So any time of the day or night you open the book up, you can go to Thursday, 3:00am, Monday, 2:00pm and, and read what's there as a kind of divination tool. And so the elements of every prayer time are really simple.

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It's a quotation that has affected. Some of them I read when I was 18, some of them I read two weeks ago. So they're the most powerful quotations that have guided my life from every spiritual tradition.

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So it starts with a quotation on one side of the page and then the next side of the page and only one page. So I had to really limit myself is my reflection on that quote.

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And then the next page is a photograph because I'm a photographer, I know a picture's worth a thousand words. And sometimes the person in the book doesn't get quote, doesn't get my reflection, but gets the photo.

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So it's a more visceral experience. And the last is a poem that I've created based on where all that stuff took me. Because I think poetry is another language, another doorway, another threshold into a deeper knowing that goes beyond intellect into the knowing of the body.

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Yeah. And I'll Just show my listeners here. Get an idea. She said, go anywhere. This one is Monday awakening, 3am Louds, right?

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That's.

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That's there. And then let me just turn the page, because there is her part and there's the picture and then there's the poem, right? So you get the idea.

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She's saying, just open this up anywhere, right?

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And you literally will be guided by.

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Reading those three pages. And then here's Monday Awakenings, right? So this is. It's really well done, and I just wanted to thank you for that. Now, I think that our listeners, who are, I would say, for the most part, most of mar seekers, they're looking for something to give them an answer.

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And many of them may have been seeking a long time. Maybe they're still seeking, and maybe they don't find an issue with seeking. It's what they like to do.

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But many people feel like, you know.

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Like they're constantly seeking to find purpose or happiness or some kind of meaning. Why do you think that we are so conditioned to seek rather than simply find? Is it something about finding that we're afraid?

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I don't. I don't think so. I think that all of our lives, all the teachers, for the most part, 90% of the teachers that we've had, the books we've read, the church pews we've sat in, we have been communicated one message, which is, you're not there yet.

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You're not worthy. You'll be lucky if you ever get there. Right. Who do you think you are? All these messages that seem to diminish us instead of urge us forward.

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So as long as any of us are affiliated with churches, then we need to do the extra work of threshing through what's no longer real.

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You know, those traditions were created thousands and thousands of years ago for that time when people still thought the earth was flat. This time we're a different people.

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Yeah, we're a whole different people. And so we really. I mean, I'm creating a new. I'm creating my faith day by day as I go along, by the actions I take, which are consistent with the commitments I have inside me, which are consistent with my spiritual beliefs.

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And it's really easy because I don't have many spiritual beliefs, right? In. In the early days, they taught us there's two big commandments, that's all. There's not even 10, there's two. Love the great source as you love yourself.

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You know, the words we all grow up with. You know, love God the Father, as you love Yourself and. And part of our work today is to eliminate bad language, to. To improve the language of the tribe, as they say. So I no longer say Our Father.

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Right. I have a whole new prayer. I don't say the Lord's Prayer. Right. I totally redo the language from the beginning. And that's part of the work of being a faithful servant. So I can't even remember what your question was.

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Well, it was about people seeking and simply finding.

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And I think what you've said is very important, is that you've riffed a little bit about the language that. And the things we tell ourselves and what we believe as a result of what we tell ourselves and that we are a new people. I get that.

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And that this is a new error.

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Of consciousness in an Aquarian age and.

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An awakening for people. And I think many are trying to find that awakening because they have been ensconced with all of these old beliefs and patterns, and we're trying to break free from some of those. But I would say, you know, you mentioned that the truth isn't found, it's remembered.

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I think this is an important point. All right, what does it mean in the context of self discovery? Because I think a lot of us are trying to remember.

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Right. And to get the right metaphors to help us undo the mistakes that we maintain. Just because we live in a secular culture that's all confused about all things religious.

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It's got this big border between what's religious or what's spiritual and what's not. And to become our own authorities is an important overcoming of what we've learned.

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And so we do that work in the same way. If you were training for the Olympics, if you take your spirituality seriously, you don't just go, well, maybe I'll train on Monday morning.

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Wednesday. That ought to do it. Right? You know what? I take my spirituality so seriously that I don't even get dressed until after I've said all my morning prayers. And those are not prayers made up by someone else.

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I mean, yes, I have two prayers I like, which I say made up by someone else, but their prayers just made up in my mind. Whenever the silence is intruded upon, I try to forge those words and thoughts into what I am really hoping for and planning to create.

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You know, I think I'm co creating my life. I don't have an illusion that there's not another force actively shaping me, providing like hurricanes and tornadoes, providing people with an opportunity to show up.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So I'm in. I'm in a Dance with all those sacred secret forces. And I do the best I can do to take power in the matter.

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But first, there's a lot of undoing to do for anyone on a spiritual path, because if you have the belief that you're seeking something that you already are not, there's an errant belief, right?

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So it, it. What's bubbling up for me is this sense for a lot of people that might be around, discomfort about abandoning some of this old religious, not spiritual, religious, philosophical dogma that, that.

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That they've been around and they're sitting here listening to this, realizing they want to break free but are afraid to break free. And I get that. I get that there are people that are probably in that school while they're listening to this right now.

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But you emphasize something, I think, which is really quite important in the book. And you've always been a lover of music and the arts. You can see from the art behind you, poetry, all of these creative expressions which come from, in most cases, a higher power, right?

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And you say that it's a path to awakening. Would you have some kind of, I wouldn't say, formula for the people that are listening that says, hey, listen to your intuition, listen to your inner soul.

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Listen to the voice that's speaking with you about following a path that will give you more freedom from this dogma. How. How would you tell somebody to maybe abandon those old beliefs and start anew?

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You know, when I was in the convent, we had a theology. A priest came in the room to teach us theology, and he scared me because he said, look at everything that you think you know about God and religion and prayer.

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It's everything people told you. It's books and books and books of doctrine and dogma. That's your religion. Now you say you're in these seats because you're going to marry God. So you got to find out who's this force, who's this person, right?

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On your own terms. We're going to take all those books, put them on a real high bookshelf, and you're not going to go anywhere near them for the whole semester because the work you all have to do, 30 of us sitting there in a row, postulant, and he said, the work you have to do is the work of creating your own faith.

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And faith is different than religion. Religion is like the menu. Faith is like the meal. Religion's the score for the music.

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And faith is the orchestra playing the music. One cerebral one's heartfelt soul, felt and embodied. But it's your own Creation.

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So nobody in this room is going to have the same faith now. So it took him a cup. And that scared us all a lot because we don't. We were taught what to think, not how to think.

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Right? Right.

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So we're sitting in there peeing our pants, practically going like, oh, crap, give us another priest. This one's too hard. Right. How. How does one create her own faith? So he, you know, he had really step it back some because we're 18 years old, fully programmed.

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And so basically what he's saying is, your faith is based on your ultimate commitments. Well, crap again, because what's an ultimate commitment? We don't understand this concept. And so he had to go, okay, the ultimate commitment is that which you're living for, that which you would die for, what will never happen in your presence based on who you are.

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And so when I backed up into that, I realized even though I was only 18, all my life I had based every decision I made that was a big one, on what I had learned about Jesus the man, not Jesus the Anointed one, not Jesus the second person of the Trinity, but Jesus the man in Nazareth.

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And so by the time I'm 18, I'm well practiced at imagining what Jesus would do because I've been emulating that behavior and I've been growing and deepening that relationship for, I don't know, six, seven years.

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So for me, then, when it came the day for us to proclaim our faith, I just said, my faith is what dictates my life and what determines that I spend my life dedicated to and devoted to peace, justice, and social action.

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And ever since then, and that happened right soon, before I was kicked out of the convent and not for being argumentative, for being gay, for being something I couldn't even help. I can't improve. Right. So I was so thankful that I had that experience of identifying and proclaiming my own faith and understanding that I never have to revisit religion.

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Because to me, religion is the problem, not the solution. Religion is what got me kicked out of the convent, not faith.

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Well, I think your analogy around the menu being, you know, that your faith is the meal, the menu is the. The context, the Bible, the things that they're teaching from, and so on.

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And I think there's so much of that out there that's not unusual. And people get fixed. And that's what I want to talk about here is, you know, there are people that get emotionally stuck, spiritually stuck, creatively stuck.

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And I'm going to say stuck because that's when you're not moving. It's like you're in quicksand. What's the very first step that you'd recommend to help people like that start finding. Because there's so many listeners out there that I guarantee you they.

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There's some that know they're stuck, and there's many that don't even know they're stuck.

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Okay, well, maybe a lot of them are stuck. You know, I've been leading workshops since retail, I don't know, late 80s, and I find that there's quite a few people who.

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Who feel there's some big disconnect between where they are now and where they want to be spiritually. And I'm like, well, if there's a disconnect, you know, move closer.

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You have, you know, you're creating your life. Somebody's not going to swoop down and say, okay, here's the formula. The formula is include in every day at least 10 minutes of solitude where you have your love affair with the great beloved.

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And what. What do you do when you have an invisible dance partner? You have to imagine. But to be there at a certain time, at a certain place you think of as your sacred place.

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To be there and to not have any judgments about what happens, right? Every morning for me, I light my candles, I get my coffee, I drink my coffee.

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And that process might take a half an hour. And all the while, I'm just letting my mind go where it goes. I'm not saying this isn't part of my sacred practice.

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I'm not saying this is my coffee time. I'm saying it's all the one same thing, like having coffee with someone, right? I'm in conversation with that force and that source.

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But I'm not judging anything. I am of the opinion that I can do no wrong in my spiritual practice. I just show up, I just say I'm here, and I don't have radios blaring, right?

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So this. This power of being present, you know, not being yesterday or looking at tomorrow, just staying here in the now. This is your way. You cultivate presence in. In a world that has so many distractions.

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You know, it's like I'm not looking at email. I'm not answering my phone. I'm not trying to find something or somebody to distract it. You're saying I'm here with me, and that's really it. Correct. That's how you're finding your presence?

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Yeah, I'm here with me and everyone else. I'm here as a snowflake in the blizzard of God. Right. I'm here giving it all I have.

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Foreign.

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I'm not usually reading any sacred books. Although if something like the other day I'm reading something and then it took me down the bunny hole toward. Because they mentioned this book by. It was a book by Christian Wyman called My Beloved Abyss.

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In it he mentions a book by Sarah Grant, takes me down the bunny hole, I look for the book, I find the PDF, I start reading that. But it's always serendipitous because I'm not of the opinion that I need to know more.

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Better if I know less. Right. Because usually what we're taught, you have to wade through it. Yeah, wade through it and discern what's really real anymore because we're at the cutting edge of evolution.

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But that's this, that's the continue of the seeking. In other words, as you just mentioned. Okay, here was a book that was mentioned so I think I ought to read it because it had a great title or somebody gave it a great Meg. It's like it's the next thing to seek.

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Oh, maybe that I'm going to find that answer there. What you're really saying is the answers are within. We're not saying don't read books. We're not saying don't have fun doing this. We certainly would love to have you read this book. But the point is, is that this book of all books should take you within.

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It should take you to start to seek the answers with inside yourself. And you know, everybody out there wants a more soul aligned, fulfilling lives, whatever that means to be fulfilled. But they don't know where to start frequently.

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Now this little practice you have here, whereas I can flip the page, I can read this thing, I can then flip the page and I can look at the picture, I can flip the page and I can read the, the poem or the other words I think is a good way.

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It's a good like it's like a good little sequence actually to keep me here. So what's the one daily practice I know you're talking about your coffee in the morning and you wake up and you're just there.

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Right. Would you suggest that could change everything for our listeners? If there was one thing, I mean I know you said you don't even, you just stay in your pajamas or whatever until it's, you know, you've finished your coffee.

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I think a lot of people out have practices. But what have you found that's really good?

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Try this. Put your phone in another room and then sit where your phone is. Not for 10 minutes only, just sit. You can set a little alarm clock or something, but having your phone there is an automatic temptation.

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I'm not even strong enough if my phone goes off because I forgot to turn it off in the middle of my 10 minutes or whatever. I check it because I'm a human being.

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And so I think the biggest challenge is for people to really say, all right, I'm going to mean it. I'm going to put my phone someplace I can't see it and hear it, and then I'm just going to put myself in silence for 10 minutes.

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You see, if you can do that and something changes inside of us, you can do it for 10 days in a row. Something changes inside of us. That's.

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We just.

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We just calls the inner technology we entered.

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I like that. I love that statement you just used. We just did a podcast not that long ago with Howard Lewis, who wrote a book, leave your phone at the door. So he advocated. He advocated the community that was built.

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So he started doing dinners where everyone had to leave their phone at the door. And then he would have these dinners where people didn't have any distractions, and they got bigger and bigger and bigger. Now he's in London, but the point of the story is this, is that this technology is such a distraction that people could never learn about if they're always swiping right, swiping left, swiping down, swiping up, trying to figure out who was next, what's it is notifications.

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And he said, no, you can't even come in my room. You can't even come in my house if your car isn't left.

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If your car.

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What?

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Phone. If your phone isn't left in your car or if it's not left at the door because. And it's going to be turned off. And I. And I. That podcast got so many listens to that. I think people are longing for that.

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You know, you see the intersection, as you've said, of spirituality, social change, and personal transformation. How do you see it playing out in kind of in today's world?

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I don't think anything's changed from today's world. I'll tell you. In 1983, I was working as a picture framer in a suburban mall in Syracuse, and I come in in the morning, and somebody had left a copy of the hundredth monkey book on my workbench.

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And that's a small little book. So when it was my lunch hour, I take it to the restaurant, have My lunch, read the whole book. And it had such an impact on me that before I went back to work, I went across the street to the Key bank, gave a $20 bill to the teller and said, soon as it gets 5,000 in here, I'm making a peace pilgrimage around the world.

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That's what I said to her. I didn't even know. I couldn't even define a peace pilgrimage. Those are the words I used. All because I read that little book called the Hundredth Monkey. So that led me to the decision, peace pilgrimage to put the bank account, get it activated, to find three more jobs.

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And within a year and a half, I had started in Japan on a one year peace pilgrimage around the world with $5,000 in my pocket and 200 rolls of film.

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And so that whole process, from what seems to be total serendipity, unconnected to anything else, is an entire wheel of creation where spirit moves, I move, spirit moves, I move.

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That's how it goes. And so the same exact process for writing my latest book was deployed because I had an intention, I knew what my intention was to get people out of the mo of seeking into the mo of finding and, and co creating a life of conscious consequence.

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And so it's always easy. The idea flits in through the windows. I go, oh, that sounds like fun. And then I begin the work immediately. And it's. And it's never hard.

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And what I meant by we don't. How did I say it? We don't learn the truth. We remember the truth. Think of all the times when you're reading a book and you highlight or underline whatever the author said.

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That's not you saying, holy cow, I never thought of that before. That's you saying, oh, I know that. I love how she said it.

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Yep, so true. I mean, it's a. Look, the process of awakening. I'm, I'm recalling an interview recently with Ken Wilbur. Right. So one of the deep thinkers on spirituality, and he called it radical awakening.

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Right. And I, and I, and I love the term because a lot of people have this experience in life and then some people never have it, where they're one with everything, where there's literally this whole union of themselves with everything.

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Right. And God bless everyone who's had that. I've had a glimpse of it. I think it happens at certain times in our lives. But things certainly do shift for you when you have these, what's called, what he refers to as radical awakening.

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So look, if you were to leave the listeners today with a mantra or Some guiding principles or, you know, what they should embrace right now. What universally do you think would be a good thing to tell them?

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In other words, if you wrap this up in one universal truth, what would it be?

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I remember this quote from Balinese dancer who said, there's someone out there who needs you. Live your life so they can find you.

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That as an activist is my number one mantra. I don't say it to myself every day, but every day I get up and plan a life that meets those parameters.

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Who is looking for me, right? So I'll tell you what. I go to Jewish Family services to say, I have time. Where do you need me?

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And they say abcde. And so I go, okay, I'll try out a go to A. It involves making sandwiches and serving lunch to 200 immigrants who are in a building downtown who are somewhere between being living in the US and coming in from further south, right?

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And then I say, this isn't right work for me. It's not fulfilling. What's B? Then they say B, driving families to bus stations in the airports and getting them through the system onto, into, onto the, get onto the gate to the plane, say so parking, going into the airport, ushering them to the gate, buying them water and bananas, sitting there until the plane takes off.

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That's B. Now, I like B more than I like putting on a hair net and serving lunch and then cleaning up with bleach after. So I think for us to A, understand there's something for us to do other than fritter away our time, figure out what are five possibilities for that doingness and try them out until you get the one that you like the most.

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Well, there's an endless, there are endless options, right? And so for somebody who says, I can't find anything, I would say, well, you probably haven't looked far enough because there are plenty of places. You call it Jewish Community Services.

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I know it's in La Hoya. You have your own Loving kindness Foundation. I have my own foundation which serves the homeless and there's a plethora of areas. And when you know, when you get out of yourself and you do something for someone else, that's when you have some of the greatest joys in life is doing for others.

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So I think that's a great guiding principle that you could leave our listeners with is, you know, get out of yourself and start to do something for others which can be just so rewarding. Jan, Again, for my listeners, I am going to hold up the book.

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It's called Stop Seeking, Start Finding and the subtitle is A Book of Hours for Spiritual Evolutionaries. Again, the way it's laid out, just go pull up a couple of pages. There's three pages for each one of these.

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Read it, see if it resonates for you. It's been a pleasure having you back on the show again. You're always welcome, as you know, to spend time imparting your wisdom and your knowledge and your stories and the things that you have with our listeners, because that's how we learn and that's what this show is all about.

[A: 43:51.1]
And it has been for 17 years and will continue to do so as long as I can keep doing it. But thank you. Thank you for being on. If, if my listeners want to, they can again go to Jan Phillips dot com.

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You can also go to Amazon to find many of these books. I don't know if you'll find all of them, but you will find most of them at Amazon. There's also. She's got her workshops, her gallery, her videos.

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And again, we said YouTube podcast, which she's got a link to, to that you're doing your own podcast, is that correct?

[C: 44:32.5]
Yes, that's correct. I do want to say two things. One is it's Living Kindness Foundation.

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Did I say something else?

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You said loving kindness, which is, sorry, Living.

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Living.

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Living Kindness Foundation. And the most important thing you could do is sign up for my newsletter.

[A: 44:54.2]
Yep, it's right there on the right hand side.

[C: 44:57.7]
Yeah. And every Sunday morning you get a little thing called Bulletin from Immortality, because that's after a line by Emily Dickinson who said, the only news I get is bulletins all day from Immortality. So that means you get connected with me, you hear from me, and you're in my circle of friends.

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And so we'll make certain that people know about that and sign up. And Jan, thank you. Namaste to you. Thank you for being on the show. Thanks for taking this time to be with our listeners and again share your stories, your uplifting stories and your stories that had so much wisdom.

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Thanks for being on Inside Personal Growth.

[C: 45:43.0]
Thanks, Greg, for doing what you do. Adios.