Greg Voisen
Well, welcome back to Inside Personal Growth. This is Greg Voisen, the host of Inside Personal Growth. And joining us from Los Angeles on the other side with beautiful smile., beautiful face is Dr. Yasmin Davidds and she has a new book out called Graciously Assertive. Can you hold that up for our listeners?

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
Absolutely, yeah.

Greg Voisen
Okay, this is her fifth book, she said, “How Becoming a Better Human”, you want to read that subtitle so that we get that in there?

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
Graciously Assertive: How Becoming a Better Human Makes You a Better Leader?

Greg Voisen
Most definitely. And for my listeners, let me let them know just a tad bit about you. She's an entrepreneur, organizational psychologist, the CEO of Dr. Yasmin Davidds Leadership Institute. And if you want to get more information, you can go to Dr. Yasmin institute.com. There you can learn more about her. And the work that she's done with multiple multicultural women executive leadership Foundation, is one thing that you'll know about. She's also committed to the empowerment and development of all women leaders, and has brought her recognition and claim to US Congress, the California State Senate and the California State Assembly, and has been recognized and highlighted as one of the top leading Latinas of Hispanic magazine, and one of the most influential Latinas and the book of Latina women. As one of the top leading female negotiation experts in the US and Latin America, she's trained and consult in 1000s of corporate leaders, over 200 Blue Chip companies throughout 22 countries in the art of skillful negotiation. She had a prior book. And the fourth book was called your own terms, a woman's guide to taking care of any negotiation. And we will put a link to that as well. She is executive entrepreneur and Millennial programs has impacted and transform the lives and careers of over 5000 professional women went by worldwide, and a graduate of the University of Southern California USC with a degree in business entrepreneurship, and went on to receive a master's in women's studies and her doctorate degree in organizational psychology. Well, it's a pleasure having you on. I think, for my listeners, they get a bit about what you're about. And I think this book is a great way for people kind of, you know, we call the roadmap because you did say that this is a roadmap, offering the best routes for people become better humans and better leaders. And, you know, I could throw this into the question and make it a compound question. Because I know this isn't going to hurt. You know, we see the challenges that the United States is facing today with leaders worldwide. We're seeing it in Mexico and Venezuela, and all kinds of countries where we're having challenges with leaders. And unfortunately, they're not female, and they're not Hispanic. And who knows, we might have been a better world if they were female, and they were Hispanic. How's your personal journey and experience influences the teaching, and when you say graciously assertive? I love it. Because I think if we did some more of our negation know, she negotiations being more graciously and assertive at the same time, we'd get so much further ahead.

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
Absolutely. So, while there's so much that was going through my first of all, thank you so much for having me here. I'm excited to have this conversation with you. There's so much of my life, that that basically has created the career and the books that I have written, because I am a reflection of being a Latina of immigrant parents who came here from Mexico and Ecuador with no education, second, and third grade education, wanting to provide a better life for their future children, you know, began working in factories, my father became an entrepreneur. And, and that's where I learned about entrepreneurship and what it was to, to work hard and strategic in order to build whatever it is that you choose to build in this country. I think that going through also trauma and abuse as a child and have been in a family where women basically we did not have a voice was what we call my cheese culture. It really taught me at the age of five years old that I wanted to change the world and make it better for women because I needed to find hope in my future and I wanted to make it different. So bringing all of that together. Fast forward. I have committed the last 22 years of my career into empowering and developing Women starting with Latinas, I started crossed over to mainstream women, few years after that, and have been committed to multicultural women, women of color, mostly because not too many people do focus on multicultural women and the need is very much there. So I, you know, I believe that becoming a better human makes you better leader becoming a better leader makes you a better human. And I think it's it's very telling, you know, not I don't like to get political in my conversations unless they're about politics. But you know, just what we're going through right now in the country, that divisiveness and one incident of almost a horrible, horrible incident of, of a former president almost being assassinated, has completely changed the dynamics of that person's experience towards now uniting a country where they are, and its inclusivity. It's about inclusivity. It's now from going from division to inclusivity, based on an experience of almost death, right? So I have experienced almost death, I have experienced so much trauma, that I have seen inclusivity as the key to graciousness, and peace and love and leadership. It's all inclusive, I think that we have, it's so divided in this world. And that's what hurts us. But I do believe that we start seeing, we could self-advocate and be inclusive of the other side's perspective as well.

Greg Voisen
Well, I think that's a good comment. And, you know, I have taken on listening to Dr. Peterson, and you made Jordan Peterson. And one of the things you know, as a female, and you're being brought up in this Latina culture without a voice. There's something that he says it's interesting, and I want people to really reflect on this, and that is that, you know, we have a contract with the future. And the question is, is what do we sacrifice today? And it's really apparent to me that you've taken the route to make some sacrifices, so that you look at your future. So you might your contract with the future, to be something better a leader has to do that. And so my question might be to you to all the people who are women leaders, who maybe have families as well, and have this contract with the future. But there's this conundrum with the sacrifices they make with their family. And my question to you would be, how would you help women who are listening today understand the importance of making that sacrifice for the contract they've made with the future?

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
I completely agree that there is a contract with the future. And as far as sacrifices, you know, I like I usually will refrain that because I don't necessarily feel I made sacrifices. Instead, what I did is I chose to be inclusive, bring my family along with my quote, unquote, ride to my future contract, which means that I have as a single mother of a daughter, and she went with me to my speaking engagements, she introduced me, she went on my bush. So I included her in part of me traveling a lot, took my mom with me to take care of her when I found a way of being a single mom, that was very difficult. But I found a way so that I didn't have to leave her all the time. Now, I know that's not conducive to everyone's schedule. But there's always different ways of being a bringing your family on the journey with you. To this future contract, whatever you choose to create. And if you're in an organization that doesn't allow you to do that, maybe it's time to change organizations, then, I mean, we have to really find the right fit for you. And there's always the right fit. You just have to be committed to it. You don't have to do what is told that you have to do things a certain way. There's always someone breaking ground and doing things differently, that could be you.

Greg Voisen
Well, and that's you for certain. In chapter one, you discuss that becoming a better leader. I would call it a transformed leader starts with becoming a better human being. Now, we have seen that many of the leaders in the Senate, the house president, they maybe weren't better human beings. Okay? And I always wonder about because this show is about personal growth, personal transformation. If you can't transmute some of your issues, your ego issues, the ones that tell you you're not enough so that you've got to rise to the top to do something. How can you this graciously assertive book is about transforming to be a good human being Could you share some of the practical steps for transforming to being a good human being not just a good leader, because a good human being can be a good leader?

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
Absolutely. And you know, some people might say that being a good human being is subjective to someone's values and morals. And I disagree. I do believe that being a good human being, there could be elements that could be based on values, but at the core, it just human being, being empathetic to other people being compassionate, that's being a good human being, regardless of your values. And if you don't believe that, that then humanity, I don't know how someone can define humanity without and lacking compassion and empathy for others. And for yourself, you know, being being able to communicate in a way where you show respect for other individuals, even that oppose have opposing views. Everybody has a story of why they believe what they believe. And no one should be dishonouring someone else's story or experience, you may not agree with it. But you need to be able to respect it. Right? So these are basic elements of a good human being. And the number one step and I have in my book, The eight pillars of so what are what are

Greg Voisen
those eight pillars of graciously assertive leadership? And you can just mention them briefly, because we probably won't have time to go into them. But it shows the thought that you put into the book, because the pillars kind of run throughout the book, right? So 00 tolerance for judgment, these kinds of things. Talk with us, if you would about the eight pillars, and maybe, let's, let's highlight two of them that you really think are very important.

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
Absolutely. So the eight pillars are self awareness, social awareness, self regulation, self compassion, gratitude, healthy boundaries, zero tolerance to judgment, and graciously assertive communicator. Now, I'm going to, I'm going to talk about the top three only because I know you said to put the three go together, self awareness is the number one priority for any growth without self awareness, there's nothing you can do, you need to be aware of your your own strengths, your areas, your weaknesses, your moods, you're when you're at your best, you know, not only health wise, emotionally, every element of yourself self awareness is key. And it's the foundational level for personal growth and transformation as a human and as a leader. Second is social awareness. And social awareness is being able to understand your environment. You know, when people say, read the room, read the room and social awareness be understand how the room, you know how people are responding to certain elements. But more than that, is how people are responding to you. Social awareness is by about how your behavior is impacting other people, your energy really determines how other people respond to you. And people have no clue that they're not reading the room. And they're going off and saying things that are being disrespectful, or whatever it may be. And then the third element, third pillar of better human and better leader is self regulation. And some people say, Why don't you call it self management regulation, I don't like that word. And it's like, well, self management can mean manage your time, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about regulating your emotions. So that you your intention that you have to make on people in your environment aligns with the outcome with your outcome and your intention align, and you can't do it without self regulating. Because if you're in a bad mood, and you don't realize that you're bringing that energy to your team, your team is going to respond to that, and you're not gonna be able to inspire them and get the best out of them if you're barking at them if you're just giving orders. So you need to be able to take a step back and be like, okay, and even tell your team today's a really bad day for me, you know, but I want you to know that I'm here to support you, whatever it may be. But self regulation is key and the fundamental for everything else about being a good human being and leader. Well,

Greg Voisen
I think that goes along with, I have a little sign that's on my desk, and I'm going to show you here now. Yeah, so as So as someone you need to frequently I think we're emotional to the extent of detriment. So the reality is, is if you can take a breath, be here now and really look at it. And before you actually respond to what anyone said to you, because you will go down a wrong path if you allow your emotions to carry you. And I think in some cultures, especially even Latina, it's highly emotional culture. Right?

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
We're very expressive and passionate and emotional. Yes,

Greg Voisen
exactly. And if you looked at somebody for England, you would go well, they're not so emotional because I was just there like literally three days ago. And my point is, is that if you can control that emotion yet still express it, and you're saying, graciously assertive, I think the key here is, and I want to talk about morality and spirituality that play a role in being graciously assertive. You discuss this in chapter three of the book. So what is this because, you know, while you have a master's degree, USC and many, I've got a master's degree in spiritual psychology. And the interesting thing there is I learned so much about compassionate communications, how we communicate back and forth with one another, talk with us about these two, those are big words morality and spirituality, and how they play a role in being graciously assertive.

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
Absolutely. So at the fundamental level level of graciously assertive is the ability to self advocate while holding space for the other side. And that means that you can express your concerns, whatever it is, but at the same time, understand that what you're asking from the other person, you also have to offer. And that is being able to listen, being understanding to their needs and understanding, they have a story and concerns and everything as well. And so that's the fundamental definition of what graciously assertive is. And many people think that it's very hard for it to coexist, because if you're assertive, it's all about the eye and gracious is kindness. And it's it doesn't align with the sort of, but that is fundamental to morality. And to morality, meno moral human being is knowing right from wrong, and really understanding that there are different aspects of people. And there's a very clear, right from wrong, you know, on the bare fundamental level. And so being gracious is really taken in consideration the aspects of human beings on the right and wrong of you know, whether or not you're someone's in need, do you help them, you know, that there's a right and wrong to that, you know, yes, I mean, if they're in need, they're on the floor, or there's somebody in their lane, you help them, that's just a good moral human being to do. And that, that, that equals to graciousness, kindness, you know, holding space for the other side. So it's very much aligned with being a better human being overall. But now it's bringing it to communication, right? Gracious, assertiveness is also communication style, bringing that to leadership, and bringing these elements that are so basic to humanity, that either we forgotten them, or we just never connected them to leadership before. So spirituality to me, has nothing to do with religion, and has more to do with your power. Right. And I'm very spiritual, but not religious. And without my faith and spirituality, I would not be here nor I wouldn't be able to do my work. And I do believe that there there is an element of spirituality, regardless of whether you find it in Buddhism and Catholicism, it doesn't matter. But I think it's fundamental, to live from a place of gratitude and gratitude is key as well to being gracious because you it's a certain energy that is needed. And it's very difficult to live in gratitude without spirituality. Gratitude

Greg Voisen
actually begets, I'm gonna say graciousness. So yes, you know, I agree, people have a practice of gratitude. Every morning, when you wake up, you know, I'm thankful to just get out of bed, I'm thankful for the house I live in and the clothes that I wear and the things that I've got, I think you really begin to put things in perspective, that way about how you have been blessed, right, with some really good things. And you have several stories in the book, including stories from alumni of your leadership program. And I want you to share one of the stories that exempts exemplifies your graciously assertive leadership. Because I think for our listeners, know, people learn from stories, whether it's your story or someone else's story, I think it's important to have a story here to actually say, Okay, how did this work?

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
Absolutely. There's so many great ones. And I'm thinking of one, I would say one that's in the book is of a woman who, who had become very successful in her career. And then she became stuck where she was struggling to go to the next level because she was struggling to build those connections and relationships with team members in a way where they felt cared for and they felt that she was leading them from a place of compassion and not just from a place of work results. And she really did care about them. She just felt that you don't talk about certain personal things at work. You just don't. And because she was taught growing up, that you keep the personal, personal and Businesses business. And that all came from her experience of going through trauma that her mother, she watched her mother be, be physically abused, and then get herself together. And when she dropped her off at school, she said, What happened at home happened at home, what happens at school happens at school, you don't talk about what happened at home at school, and other words, so that's how she grew up, she carried that to the workforce. And that's what she taught her people. And then so she started realizing that she also didn't trust individuals, so And she had always felt very alone in her life, even as successful she had become. And she realized that she had not healed from this belief, of keeping the personal, and the professional separate, and the lack of trust that she didn't trust her team members, and it was all now being played out in her professional career. And even with her family, because she also there was fountain family issues that were going on. And through the process of really what we call understanding your leader, your crucible, like what happened in your life that caused you to create some beliefs and now be may be getting in your way, or may not be hurting you through that process in our program, she realized that she had been holding on she lost all trust of people she had been holding on to these beliefs that no longer serve her. And until she changed that she was not going to be able to move and transform herself to the next level. And when we were in our programs, we do it in community. And that's the power of community because you could do it individually. But the power of community makes just propels you to the next level, because you have 30 other women that are saying we got you, you know wasn't your fault, you can do this and validates they validate one another. And these are women that are at the same level, usually director level or above. So it's like they understand each other. And that validation just completely transformed, transformed her to be able to move up, I mean, not only does she move up in her career, and build more teams, and tripled her salary, and all these results, it all started from her getting out of her own way, and becoming self aware of her limitations, socially aware of how she was coming off self regulation on being able to heal and showing up differently, and all and all the other pillars living in gratitude. So that's why these pillars are so important, because they don't happen all at once. But it's a striving, it's progress, not perfection, right of trying to to practice these practices, these pillars that help you become a better human and better leader.

Greg Voisen
Well, you know, it's a journey. Yeah, Dr. Davidson. And the journey starts with the first step. And one of those is awareness, as you said, but it's awareness of how the subconscious mind can actually program what it is that we believe. And if we can get in touch with that subconscious mind, either through some form of meditation, some type of program, where we can really understand that our mind does have that control over us and our environment, and we can control it, that we can transform ourselves. And, you know, you talk about this six focuses on modeling graciously a certain sort of method, what are some of the key behaviors or practices that leaders need to model for their teams. So you were talking about this woman, and where she came from, and it was a great story, because it she was imposing her beliefs on them, and not actually including them or inclusion, and to hear their side of a story about maybe where they come from, and remodel the whole thing for a transformation for the team. Right? So I see that with your program, you can help people, but how do you build this assertive mindset? How do you help these women see that side of themselves to become more compassionate, more inclusive, more understanding? You know, I've had people say to me, Oh, well, when I said this to somebody the other day, it was like, hey, a leader needs to be compassionate, they need to be inclusive. They need to have understanding. And somebody said to me, Well, maybe where your world is, but not from where I'm from. And I was thinking to myself, Wow, that's, that's pretty silly.

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
Yes, absolutely silly. And I'll tell you many women that come into our program, they, they they also believe like, you know, in my world, in the financial industry, there's no way it's like that it's cutthroat and an investor and whatever it may be, but what helps what has really helped women and women in my programs and people because I've been working with different types of people everywhere, from billionaires to homeless individuals. And it's all consistent. And that is that it's when you hear the stories of other individuals that you begin with stories of whatever it is that they went through we call it crucibles, the crucibles when women start hearing each other's stories and start realizing I'm not alone. I'm not the only every single human being has been through something incredible, something large, something kind of trauma or some more than others in different ways. And it starts humanizing individuals more because we're so hard on ourselves, and then we're hard on others. So when you hear other people's stories, it starts building an empathy, that I honestly believe it's very hard to garner without listening to other people's stories, and doing it quickly, right, because literally in 24 hours, these women go from being, you know, somewhat compassionate to extremely compassionate, but it's through the power of storytelling, that they're they listen to 30 different stories of their them going on, on their crucibles. It can be anything from, you know, I don't know from when that story I told you about the abuse, to molestation to crossing the border, and being arrested at the age of five. I mean, there's so many stories, and understanding Wow, the people that I go to work with my boss, my colleagues, all of them have a story to write, and the people who are acting up that are being passive aggressive at work, they have a story to that they start seeing people from a completely different perspective, and they start building empathy for people, even new people they're going to meet and it completely changes the dynamic of how they see the world. So what I share is, I started practicing that by owning my story. And then creating groups where I shared it with people because I wanted to hear theirs. And once I shared mine, they share it. And it didn't have to be work related individuals, it can just be a group that you bring together, the power of storytelling, sharing and being vulnerable, can transform you to be a more empathetic person.

Greg Voisen
Well, I recently had an author on here and he is the founder of the Socratic cafes, and those Socratic cafes are where people actually meet to tell their stories and to talk about the divisiveness and things that are going on Socratic cafes are all around the country now.

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
Oh, my God,

Greg Voisen
I haven't heard of one. Okay. There's, there's there's also democracy cafe, the same gentleman came up with it, I think what you just said is so important that whether we're men or women, or whatever, we are transactional. The reality is, we all have a story. And our story, as we tell it needs to be not only told, but listen to with empathy and understanding, then we can figure out why you have that story. Right where that came from. And then if you choose to change that story, so you want to change your life, you literally can change your life by changing your story. And that leads me to this nine outlines the challenges to graciously assertive living, what are some of the most significant challenges you've seen leaders face? Let's just call them human beings. And how they can overcome them? Because you know, first, you know, you said this, that you're spiritual, but not religious. I love that. If you can bring spirituality to work, and not leave it at home where you made the division, right? Many people, it's like that woman, you were saying, Oh, well, I have to leave that part of me at home, because I can't bring it to work. No, you have to bring your whole self to work. And if you can't bring your whole self to work and have people understand you as who you are, you're really not working in the right place. So the reality for me, I'm asking this question is, how do we actually get people to bring their stories, share their stories and have leaders that understand those stories? And for them to overcome the stories that they've created? That's defining who they are?

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
Yes, absolutely. And I think there are ways and, you know, I outlined that in my book, we need to systematize inclusion, and systematizing inclusion is creating principles. So in our Institute, in my leadership institute, we have principles, Institute principles that we live by, and kind of rules of engagement, and other words are creating a safe space. And what that is, and we go through them, reread them, and we have the students read them with us and we practice them and we honor them. They're sacred, because it's like there's no judging. You know, if you judge another woman, we we will pull you in sight and have a conversation. And if it continues, we will, we will remove you and we have removed women before, because that just tells us they're not ready, we don't judge them, it just means they're not ready to to be in that space. Because protecting that space will determine whether or not it's successful. So you need to guarded and protected at all costs. And by putting systematizing inclusion and ensuring everybody knows the rules of engagement, just like think about basketball, those rules of engagement, you fail so many times you're out, it's the same style, but it's about honoring them. And, and practicing them. When you do that, then people can come and share their experiences, being able to come and share about their different religions without trying to judge one another about what religion is right. And impose your religion on others. It is possible because I do it in my programs every single day, different religions, women, we have black women, Asian women, Latina, white, every and they honor each other's religions, you know, cultures, and if anything, they want to learn about each other's religions and cultures, because they know that if they say the wrong thing, they're not going to be you know, they're not, they're not going to be punished, because we know that it's coming from a place of contribution and a place of curiosity. And because their intentions are correct. So we establish that energy ahead ahead of time by interviewing everybody that's coming in. And there's different ones again, rules of engagement. I do believe that it's it's possible, there just has to be leaders are people invested, and ensuring that it's practiced and upheld?

Greg Voisen
Well, I know that this book can actually change people's lives. And it this book along with taking a course from you, or being coached by you would actually bring that on as well, meaning we could literally change so many leaders. What impact do you hope that graciously assertive the book itself the courses your organization, will have on the current landscape of leadership, which, right now, I think if you look at leadership across the board, you probably say because we're focused on as, as a as the US society, on some of the current issues of divisiveness. I don't believe this is occurring everywhere. But I think there's more good than there is bad. And if you look at many of these companies that are being led, they're being led very well. And the question now becomes, is, can and can graciously assertive, make the good, even better? For the best? So what is it the top of the heap? And how can you help all women across all genders in all genders help actually make themselves the best.

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
I am a true believer that the greatest gift you can give your yourself and to humanity in the world is to focus on becoming the best version of yourself, meaning personal growth, because the more you focus on self awareness, how you impact other people in wanting to become better. The more you you lead, by example, the more you are modeled, because there's people out there wanting to lead other people and don't even know anything about themselves. I mean, you have to lead yourself first, and you have to model it. And so there are leaders out there. I mean, I know, internally of some leaders that are top leaders of top 10 companies and like the top 10 companies in the world, especially in AI, and they're horrible at how they demean and yell at people at work. But people put up with it, because they make a lot of money. Right there. They've been Made Millionaires because of these companies. So it's being able to understand that, at the end of the day, focusing on becoming a better person by self awareness, healing your trauma, or if not healing it, then managing it in ways that you don't take it out on people and create toxic workplace cultures, because it's very common. That that is how one can, can start, do not start externally start internally, you got to do the inside work. You just have to, because if you're teaching it but you're not living it, then it just becomes a lot of chatter and people don't respect it.

Greg Voisen
Well, I think part of that, and we we didn't touch on this, but the cultures of organizations are actually defined in a lot of respects from the people who are at the top of the company. And if those cultures are allowing that behavior to continue, then it's a challenge. I was just had David Allen on here. It's got a new book called teams. And David wrote the get is the guy that behind the Getting Things Done, right. It's the big movement and organizations we realize have to get things done. But now when you will look like we work with teams, you've got Gotta get this done with gracious assertiveness. And the reality is, is there isn't an organization around, where we are not working with teams of people. I mean, it just is part of being in an organization. And I remember he has been that Margaret Wheatley used to speak about and I don't know if you remember but famous biologist used to speak about the Eco cultures, the you know, in from, from a biological standpoint, if we looked at a stream, or we looked at a pond, and we looked at that culture, right, that, that around that sphere that the frogs grow up in, that the tadpoles grow up into, and you can see you can learn a lot by nature, because nature itself is not how we are as human beings. Right. And, and I always thought it was such a great lesson in business for people to say, what is that eco culture that's out there that we could adopt? That would almost be the same as nature, because they work in harmony, they work in unison. They're they're not, you know, we know the hierarchy and animals and killing other animals, but that is for their survival of, of this species. Right. Exactly. And, and for some of us, I think sometimes we forget that we forget about our, our environment, right?

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
And we think, survival all the time, even though we're not right. Right.

Greg Voisen
And that is the culture, that's what I'm saying is this, this environment is the culture. And that culture, as you've said, has to be unified. It has to be one, it has to be aligned, it has to be looking toward the future, it has to do all these things that a company has to do for the stakeholders, right? Because all these stakeholders are expecting a return on their investment regardless. But that doesn't mean it needs to be done in a caustic environment, one where it's poisoned, one where people are actually falling out from stress. You know, the stress in the workplace today is huge. How does graciously assertive help people that might be dealing with a stressful situation.

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
It helps integrations, be assertive helps individuals reframe their experiences, by finding the gift finding the gift in whatever it is that they may be experiencing, what can I learn from this, and then setting healthy boundaries, right? Because you need both. If you're in a toxic environment, then you need to set healthy boundaries about this is not healthy for me. And maybe I need an exit strategy from here, right? But doing it smart, right? Work, start looking what other culture do I want to work for that, you know, do your homework on that and then investing in understanding that you need to take care of yourself. And that you need to be able to thrive in an environment that creates an ecosystem that supports you wanting to be the human leader that you want to be. So we need to be N equals ecosystems that help us thrive. Research shows that it takes seven to seven to 10 years to heal from a toxic boss. Imagine if you have three toxic bosses, that's 30 years of your life that you're doing. That's and it's horrible. So don't put up with it, find an exit strategy, don't tolerate it, you deserve better. Well,

Greg Voisen
and I think your book is a great way. And I want to let my listeners know, if you want to learn more about the book, we're going to put a link to Amazon, obviously, we'll also have a link to the website, which is Dr. Yasmin institute.com, that'll all be there for you to click on link on to basically get information about the book and her leadership programs. To learn more about that. And I just want to thank you for being on inside personal growth and sharing your story, right your personal story, as well as the story you shared with about one of your actual students write in your program, as well as giving us the eight pillars around this and providing us with such a great way that you're articulated the message, I say Namaste to you to your spiritual side. Thank you so much. And thanks for being on inside personal growth.

Dr. Yasmin Davidds
Thank you for having me, Greg.